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Old Dec 6, 2014 | 07:17 AM
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I have a 69 L46 engine, that I play with, when I have the time for it.
The engine will never come into a car.

It's a 4" bore

Today I leak Down tested the short block, the heads will be next (I've grinded the valve, and seats in the heads)

1 8%
2 8%
3 10%
4 8%
5 13%
6 10%
7 6%
8 7%





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Rookie question: was that with a squirt of oil in each cylinder/then perform the test (wet or dry test)?

OOOOOPS...I'm thinking of compression test.

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Old Dec 6, 2014 | 08:39 AM
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I like that idea. Is the plate your idea,or is it part of a testing kit. How do you seal the plate to the block?
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I like that idea. Is the plate your idea,or is it part of a testing kit. How do you seal the plate to the block?
I've never seen it before, but maybe you can buy it, or somebody has made it also I don't know.

It is a steel plate, with a 5 or 6mm rubber plate, glued with silicone.







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Rings are good to go.
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Rings are good to go.
I was thinking about, was is good and was is bad?
Also soon I will test the heads (you can see them on one of the pictures)

Let's say the heads has the same leak as the short block, what is OK leak for a old engine, and what would it be, if it was "new"

What would be "acceptable" for a old engine like this engine?
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Originally Posted by c3_dk
I was thinking about, was is good and was is bad?
Also soon I will test the heads (you can see them on one of the pictures)

Let's say the heads has the same leak as the short block, what is OK leak for a old engine, and what would it be, if it was "new"

What would be "acceptable" for a old engine like this engine?
I don't know what is acceptable......I hand-lapped/dressed-up the valve seats and installed new valve stem seals on a set of heads (to be safe) after checking for bent stems/cracked valves...it's an easy repair (compared to re-ringing the pistons....which I would do if needed).
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Originally Posted by doorgunner
I don't know what is acceptable......I hand-lapped/dressed-up the valve seats and installed new valve stem seals on a set of heads (to be safe) after checking for bent stems/cracked valves...it's an easy repair (compared to re-ringing the pistons....which I would do if needed).
I did the same, first the valves came into my valve grinder ,and then I took my valve seat cuttter tool, to cut the seats a bit. After that I hand lapped with fine paste only, untill I had a "big seal" on the valve.

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Cylinder heads 1, 3, 5 and 7 is now tested.
Leak:

1 0%
3 0%
5 3%
7 0%


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<13% across the board is very good for a 40 year old engine. It is ok for a fresh broken in engine. Over 20% has issues that should be watched. Much over 20% or a drastic difference between cylinders needs repair

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<13% across the board is very good for a 40 year old engine. It is ok for a fresh broken in engine. Over 20% has issues that should be watched. Much over 20% or a drastic difference between cylinders needs repair
Great to hear 63mako :- )

Last numbers from the second head is:
2 = 0%
4 = 0%
6 = 0%
8 = 0%

Since bore number 5 has the biggest leak (13%), and combustion chamber number 5 has a 3% leak in the head, then combustion chamber number 5 will be "re grinded" with fine past again to 0% leak.
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Originally Posted by c3_dk
I did the same, first the valves came into my valve grinder ,and then I took my valve seat cuttter tool, to cut the seats a bit. After that I hand lapped with fine paste only, untill I had a "big seal" on the valve.

SBC valve grinding - YouTube
You have a valve grinding machine?!?!?!?!

I'll be quiet and learn................................
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You have a valve grinding machine?!?!?!?!

I'll be quiet and learn................................
Yes it is my grinding machine, it is a bit old, but it works fine :- )
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An engine is supposed to be at operating temp for the most accurate stats for this test. I realize this was impossible for your specific situation. I'm just mentioning it as "FYI".
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Originally Posted by Tom454
An engine is supposed to be at operating temp for the most accurate stats for this test. I realize this was impossible for your specific situation. I'm just mentioning it as "FYI".
Thx for the info Tom
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I dont see how that test can be valid with only 12psi source pressure. U really need 70psi or more for a reliable reading. The higher the source pressure the greater the leakdown will be. But usually on a new block and rings and vlv job differential will be less than detectible using even 80psi source press.

Why only 12psi source press c3_dk?
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Originally Posted by cardo0
I dont see how that test can be valid with only 12psi source pressure. U really need 70psi or more for a reliable reading. The higher the source pressure the greater the leakdown will be. But usually on a new block and rings and vlv job differential will be less than detectible using even 80psi source press.

Why only 12psi source press c3_dk?
I did it like on this video. I looked at a few on youtube, and they did it the same way. Is it wrong ??

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Cardo has a good point. Why only 12 psi? Shouldn't it be more like 50 to 100 or so?
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...akdown-tester/

Where was the piston in the bore during the leak down?
It needs to be TDC. That is where compression takes place and leakage and wear tend to be the greatest.

I seem to remember that .060" is a recommended width for valve seal. Have you got around that width after lapping?
Check out this article.
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/89678-valve-angles/
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Cardo has a good point. Why only 12 psi? Shouldn't it be more like 50 to 100 or so?
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...akdown-tester/

Where was the piston in the bore during the leak down?
It needs to be TDC. That is where compression takes place and leakage and wear tend to be the greatest.

I seem to remember that .060" is a recommended width for valve seal. Have you got around that width after lapping?
Check out this article.
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/89678-valve-angles/
This is what the gauge is, when I set it to zero? (like on youtube movie)
Is there an other way to do it?

No the pistons was not on TDC. But I can do that, I didn't think about this.

Yes I have min. 0.060" after lapping, I have a very good seal after lapping. I did use ALOT of time hand lapping, with fine past only. (the valve you can see being grinded in my valve grinder is not mine, my valves is in the blue boxes behind the grinder, not grinded at the time the movie was made)
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Keep in mind that with the piston at TDC that is is going to want to turn the crank very quickly to BDC. So you need a way to secure the piston at TDC.

From most leakdown test documentation that I can find it is usually much higher pressure than 12psi.
!00 psi is common as with the one gauge method it makes math easy. IE, If the gauge shows 100 psi before connected and 90 psi after connected it's 10% leakage.

Here is a page with various recommendations on how to do a leak down test.
http://www.gress.org/Home/Cars/Track...down%20DIY.htm
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