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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 07:53 PM
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Size:  1.08 MBdo these look hooked up right? thanks

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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 08:12 PM
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Yep, they are supposed to cross just like you have them crossed.
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I will second that, they look correct.

To be certain, when you start the car for the first time, do not stick your arm through the steering wheel. If they are reversed, the wheel move full lock one side or the other, and you will not be able to hold it back.
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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 08:43 PM
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thanks guys i wish i could fix the pic.
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Well..yes and no. The line you have crossed over the top is supposed to be crossed under the other line more at the center of the arc. The hoses connect from the assist cylinder to the control valve on the right ports, but I think you have the hoses reversed.

This is mine before I rebuilt the control valve with the hoses in the correct position. Note that the long pipe connects to the lower connection on the control valve. Also see that they cross roughly in the center of the arc of each pipe end.



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It looks like the hoses need to be swapped, the big sweep hose should be on the lower hole in the valve and sweep over the tighter sweep hose on top. Make sure the hoses can rub or touch each other.


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Old Dec 8, 2015 | 10:49 PM
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thanks i got that squared away. now i need front springs. my 73 is original 454 and zips has a spring only for bb. and springs for both sb and bb. why?
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[QUOTE=REELAV8R;1591058332]Well..yes and no. The line you have crossed over the top is supposed to be crossed under the other line more at the center of the arc. The hoses connect from the assist cylinder to the control valve on the right ports, but I think you have the hoses reversed.

This is mine before I rebuilt the control valve with the hoses in the correct position. Note that the long pipe connects to the lower connection on the control valve. Also see that they cross roughly in the center of the arc of each pipe end.


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Hoses in his picture look like they connect to the correct ports, same as yours, only difference I see is yours make a neater cross on the hard lines.
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Originally Posted by Willcox Corvette
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I need to start buying my restoration parts from you guys. I can see you're a big help on these forums. What's the part number for the kit that does front suspension, rear suspension, steering and differential service?
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heres my corrected hoses. as far as part numbers, i have no clue. got my stuff from a local vette shop and napa.
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looks like you are missing the cap on the control valve. don't forget to put it on after it's adjusted (like I did...)
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Originally Posted by gungatim
looks like you are missing the cap on the control valve. don't forget to put it on after it's adjusted (like I did...)
yeah thanks. left it of on purpose for adjustment. it'll be a while though, haven't gotten the motor/tranny rebuilt
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One other tip. After tightening all power steering hoses into position, have someone rotate the steering wheel full lock to full lock. Inspect the hose routings while steering to make sure that they are not rubbing against sheet metal edges, castings, etc.

Admittedly, the cylinder and control valve hoses really cannot move too far. But the pressure line and return line hoses from the pump to the control valve may surprise you while steering.

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Originally Posted by REELAV8R
PERSONAL/PROFESSIONAL OPINION:

This photo shows what I try to achieve in regards to hose routing when I am installing hoses on the power steering system from the control valve to the cylinder.

It seems that the hose kits now-a-days are all screwed up and when they are being made up...the person is NOT being watchful on how the steel lines are being crimped to the rubber hose in the CORRECT CLOCKED POSITION...thus causing them to look all screwed up and the hoses not running like that is pictured above. THAT is where most of my time goes is getting the hoses modified to look like what is in the photo.

Which goes 'hand in hand' with what Jim Shea wrote.

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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DUB
It seems that the hose kits now-a-days are all screwed up and when they are being made up...the person is NOT being watchful on how the steel lines are being crimped to the rubber hose in the CORRECT CLOCKED POSITION...thus causing them to look all screwed up...
So which companies are selling the bad hoses? I for one would not like to get all the way through this job, only to discover that my car will be laid up for a week or more while the hoses are exchanged. I'm thinking about buying a kit that includes all the PS components. Maybe I should buy hoses locally instead, in case they have to be returned?
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Originally Posted by 454Luvr
So which companies are selling the bad hoses? I for one would not like to get all the way through this job, only to discover that my car will be laid up for a week or more while the hoses are exchanged. I'm thinking about buying a kit that includes all the PS components. Maybe I should buy hoses locally instead, in case they have to be returned?
Honestly I do not think that there is a company that can make then 100% like what GM did. It seems that MAYBE I get one of the two lines ( extend and retract) that may be OK...but it is rare and I feel it is just dumb luck that the hose and fitting got crimped that way.

Either the 180 bend radius is not right....or the bent lines that come off the power steering cylinder are not correctly clocked to the 180 degree bent line.

I know that when I have to do power steering work...I KNOW I have to deal with it and unfortunately...the customer pays. It is amazing on how a 1/4" extra hose can screw this up and make the hoses looked all 'jacked-up'.

AND....if there is a SUPPORTING VENDOR who reads this and thinks I am FULL OF CRAP...and what they sell is PERFECT EVERY TIME...send me several sets of power steering hoses and I will give feedback on them. I KNOW that will not happen....and THEY know why.

PERFECT EXAMPLE of making something that will get you by and NOT being CORRECT. I WISH the companies that actually make them...had to install them....and if they had a GRAIN OF INTEGRITY....They could build a simple fixture that could STOP this CLUSTER of a problem. But seeing how they are making incorrect hoses....and people buying it...why waste the time.

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