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i have replaced my factory style power steering hoses twice and replaced the pump and control valve on the second time around and it just started leaking again. I am tired of trying to fix my powersteering and I am thinking about replacing it with either the upgraded gear box kit or the rack and pinion kit. The gear box kit is half the price of the rack and pinion bit I do not know how it performs compared to the rack and pinion kit. If anyone has experience with either of these two styles please comment on your opinions!
I got Borgeson on the 69 and Steeroids on the 6t8, I like the Borgeson setup better. Better feel of the road and not so quick. I'm going to move the tie rods to the outer holes on the 6t8 to see if that helps. T
I have neither...I chose to have my OEM steering box custom blueprinted/rebuilt by GTR 1999 in 2010 and could not be happier...zero play in the box now but if I was to go your route I think that I would go Borgeson with the quicker 12.7:1 steering ratio. I strongly suspect that my blueprinted/rebuilt C3 steering box with 16:1 steering ratio would feel VERY similar to the Borgeson box if it too had the 12.7:1 steering ratio of the borgeson instead of 16:1 ratio. The Borgeson is a rebuilt GM Saginaw recirculating ball steering box just like the C3 box but with a quicker ratio and no power steering ram and balance valve.
The Borgeson on my car is great. When I researched it I found 2 people who had gone from rack and pinion to Borgeson (not because they were unhappy with the steeroids - 1 changed it for racing class rules, and the other for clearance for a larger oil pan), and both were happy with the swap. That, combined with price and the more factory look, was enough for me.
The Borgeson on my car is great. When I researched it I found 2 people who had gone from rack and pinion to Borgeson (not because they were unhappy with the steeroids - 1 changed it for racing class rules, and the other for clearance for a larger oil pan), and both were happy with the swap. That, combined with price and the more factory look, was enough for me.
Tell me if this is true. The borgeson box is big so I don't have much room between the OEM box and headers, and to install the Borgeson box you need to collapse your steering column to fit. If this is true, for me Borgeson is not my solution.
I like the flaming river solution except for the cost big $$$. VB&P doesn't look stiff enough mounting plates which is similar to others.
OK, so if I have all the parts (relay rods, pitman arms, etc) for both Manual and Power Steering (I converted to PS years ago), then what would it be that I need if I decided to go with Borgeson?
I have the Speed Direct R&P and love it. Yes it's a little fast but with a smaller steering wheel it's fine. I also reduced the pressure at the pump and increased caster.
The Borgeson is big and I had headers on my BBC and didn't want fitment issues.
OK, so if I have all the parts (relay rods, pitman arms, etc) for both Manual and Power Steering (I converted to PS years ago), then what would it be that I need if I decided to go with Borgeson?
Just the box and a new rag joint. Check Summit for box, hoses were included, mine was under $500 at the time. You'll still need to shorten the shaft. T
Tell me if this is true. The borgeson box is big so I don't have much room between the OEM box and headers, and to install the Borgeson box you need to collapse your steering column to fit. If this is true, for me Borgeson is not my solution.
I like the flaming river solution except for the cost big $$$. VB&P doesn't look stiff enough mounting plates which is similar to others.
I installed a Borgeson box in my '77, which has Hooker sidepipe headers.
There is clearance between the steering box and those particular headers.
It is true that the steering column has to be collapsed about 2".
However, it was easy to do with a couple of taps on a board against the end of the shaft.
Last edited by wendellp601; 05-27-2017 at 03:10 PM.
The real upgrade is to go back to non-power steering. I got rid of all that power steering stuff (actually have it all for sale), and went to factory manual. Drives like a sports car should. If you can't handle somewhat heavier steering in the parking lot, then forget it, but otherwise its a total improvement, and really puts the fun back in driving.
Tell me if this is true. The borgeson box is big so I don't have much room between the OEM box and headers, and to install the Borgeson box you need to collapse your steering column to fit. If this is true, for me Borgeson is not my solution.
I like the flaming river solution except for the cost big $$$. VB&P doesn't look stiff enough mounting plates which is similar to others.
Originally Posted by wendellp601
I installed a Borgeson box in my '77, which has Hooker sidepipe headers.
There is clearance between the steering box and those particular headers.
It is true that the steering column has to be collapsed about 2".
However, it was easy to do with a couple of taps on a board against the end of the shaft.
geez.... that's too bad because I really don't need one..
...but it's good to know if I end up needing one. My power steering has been quite reliable, and not leaky, since I installed it 26 years ago. (I've had one leak in that time)
Originally Posted by terrys6t8roadster
Just the box and a new rag joint. Check Summit for box, hoses were included, mine was under $500 at the time. You'll still need to shorten the shaft. T
I have the Speed Direct R&P and love it. Yes it's a little fast but with a smaller steering wheel it's fine. I also reduced the pressure at the pump and increased caster.
The Borgeson is big and I had headers on my BBC and didn't want fitment issues.
Both eliminate stock leaky systems.
Given all that's going on with the universal angles in your first picture, does the steering feel at all "non-linear"?
p.s. your seats look great! And I have the same smaller steering wheel, big improvement over the massive tiller that GM provided. I have the Borgeson myself, no complaints.
I have the Speed Direct R&P and love it. Yes it's a little fast but with a smaller steering wheel it's fine. I also reduced the pressure at the pump and increased caster.
The Borgeson is big and I had headers on my BBC and didn't want fitment issues.
Both eliminate stock leaky systems.
No hijack meant, but I couldn't help notice your seats (nice). Are they Fiero seats ?........are they lighter than stock '69 seats?
Given all that's going on with the universal angles in your first picture, does the steering feel at all "non-linear"?
p.s. your seats look great! And I have the same smaller steering wheel, big improvement over the massive tiller that GM provided. I have the Borgeson myself, no complaints.
Originally Posted by C3 Stroker
No hijack meant, but I couldn't help notice your seats (nice). Are they Fiero seats ?........are they lighter than stock '69 seats?
ignatz, From what I can tell it feels fine with no odd feeling across the range from lock to lock.
C3 Stroker, yes Fiero seats with Mr Mikes covers. They are lighter but I didn't weigh them. I had mine made with a cloth center to keep me cooler.
Wanted power but with out all the mess of lines and another pump on the front of my engine...
So- I went w/ an electric power assist on the column-
I'm using one from a 2010-12 Nissan Cube- Including the adapter-I'm in a little over a $100.
Had to mod the steering column-and found a u-joint that would accommodate the Nissan electric assist motor to connect with the stock box- Now just have to connect to power/ground /ignition and mount the control box.
05-26-2017, 06:52 PM
Upgrading steering suggestions?
