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Old Jun 16, 2017 | 01:35 AM
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im trying to establish if my 1969 corvette convertible has a matching numbers motor.

Attached is the picture of the serial number on the motor and my VIN.

VIN: 194679S713695
motor: 19S713895 or could be 19S713695 (see motor picture)



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Old Jun 16, 2017 | 05:05 AM
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Looks like a very clear 8 to me.
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Old Jun 16, 2017 | 06:05 AM
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Good morning Samir1985!

Based solely on the numbers, both of which are very clear to read, the answer would be no.

It is very interesting and curious though that those numbers are off by exactly 200. Therein lies the mystery....
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Old Jun 16, 2017 | 07:00 AM
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I agree. That's an 8.
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Hi S,
I think it would be a good idea to remove the paint from the pad at this point, (There wasn't any on the pad when the pad was stamped at the Flint engine plant and at St.Louis.)
This will help you to see the surface of the pad.
DO NOT use ANYTHING abrasive to remove the paint. Use something like lacquer thinner or citrus paint stripper.
Seeing the pad surface MAY give a clue as to what's going on with the VIN derivative stamp.
???
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Here's an example of the type of 'gang' holder used for the stamp. (You can see the container for the individual stamps, the hammer, and even the glove.)
It's easy to see how a mistake COULD be made…but that seems to have rarely happened. When it did it was often caught and a 're-stamp' of some type was done.
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Old Jun 16, 2017 | 09:06 AM
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Alan,

Do you say not to use anything abrasive because of the possibility of degrading the visibility of the numbers or is there another reason? My block had the numbers painted over but it was chipped away to reveal. I would like to clean up the rest of the pad. The numbers are still in good shape and deep
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Old Jun 16, 2017 | 09:12 AM
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Good morning Samir1985!

Based solely on the numbers, both of which are very clear to read, the answer would be no.

It is very interesting and curious though that those numbers are off by exactly 200. Therein lies the mystery....
thats the strangest thing. If the motor was replaced, how was a motor exactly 200 apart located. As in, huge coincidence, or not?
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Old Jun 16, 2017 | 09:16 AM
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Or restamper who didn't pay close attention.
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Your car(VIN 13695) was built in Feb. 69 and the engine (V0114HY) was built Jan. 14, 1969 (We would need to see the casting date to confirm 1969). HY indicates a 1969, 350/300, 4v, m/t 4 spd.

What does the stamp on the transmission show? The engine and transmission were stamped at the same time, using the same gang stamp.

As Alan71 explained, just use a soft cloth and some lacquer thinner to remove the paint from the pad.

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Old Jun 16, 2017 | 09:30 AM
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Where is the VIN located on the transmission, TH400 1972? Thanks!
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Hi K,
I believe the case was typically stamped here.
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Old Jun 16, 2017 | 10:13 AM
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Hi H,
When the block was 'broached' at the engine assembly plant the machine left faint but distinct 'marks' on the pad surface. The marks run perfectly straight and parallel with the cylinder bores.
Both big blocks and small blocks have the marks.
Seeing the marks is part of the information used to determine if the stamp is likely to be original.
Using a wire brush or emory cloth on the pad to remove paint often damages the 'broach' marks.
So be careful!
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This is an example of 'broach' marks on a bb. Notice the very straight and very parallel faint lines. It would be 'impossible'(?) to change the stamps without disrupting the broach marks.
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Old Jun 21, 2017 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Samir1985
hello all!

im trying to establish if my 1969 corvette convertible has a matching numbers motor.

Attached is the picture of the serial number on the motor and my VIN.

VIN: 194679S713695
motor: 19S713895 or could be 19S713695 (see motor picture)



It looks like your har was 63 cars ahead of mine. Either the day before or possibly the same production day! FWIW
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