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Old Jun 22, 2018 | 09:21 PM
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Replacing my 1982 Front Brake pads, pulled the old pads out pretty easy but now I cant get the pistons to stay in far enough to get the new pads in place. The pistons will move freely but I gues the springs behind them just push them back out. What is the trick to this?

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They are the same as any other Disc Brake system. Have You taken the Cap off the Master Cylinder ? When You push the Piston in the Oil needs someplace to go. Generally unbolting the Caliper and installing the Pads and then expanding them before slipping them over the Rotor is the way its done. Auto Parts stores have a Tool to do this its just a mixture Scissor Jack. However C-Clamps and many other methods have worked.
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They are the same as any other Disc Brake system. Have You taken the Cap off the Master Cylinder ? When You push the Piston in the Oil needs someplace to go. Generally unbolting the Caliper and installing the Pads and then expanding them before slipping them over the Rotor is the way its done. Auto Parts stores have a Tool to do this its just a mixture Scissor Jack. However C-Clamps and many other methods have worked.
Yeah I have the cap off and can actually push the pistons with my fingers but they just pop back out. I was hoping just to load in the new pads without pulling the caliper but I will pull it off tomorrow to see if that helps. I also have the clamp/spreader tool to push the pistons in, but like is said they just pop back out when it’s released. I will also open up the bleed valve as the fluid looks bad anyway so It should probably be replaced. There went my idea of a quick break job I guess. 🙁
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Old Jun 22, 2018 | 10:37 PM
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The pistons have a spring behind them to screw you up.

A brake pad tool like the one in the referenced link helps

https://www.zip-corvette.com/65-82-b...tion-tool.html

(note, these are sold as eaches, get two.)
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Old Jun 22, 2018 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Fredtoo
The pistons have a spring behind them to screw you up.

A brake pad tool like the one in the referenced link helps

https://www.zip-corvette.com/65-82-b...tion-tool.html

(note, these are sold as eaches, get two.)
That should definitely help! Thanks!
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Pulling the caliper is sometimes faster than playing wac-a mole.
Open and close the bleeder screw to be sure it's not frozen
Using a 5/8 six point socket and a breaker bar remove the caliper.
Open the bleed screw, compress the pistons and insert the pads and use a 7/8 socket between the pads (to hold them apart) as you reinstall the caliper.

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You can try using a paint scraper or similar wide, thin flat piece of steel to hold the pistons back while the pad is slipped in between the scaper and rotor. Then just pull up on the scraper to remove. Should you try this, be very careful not to **** the piston in its bore. I've had success way, way back using a butter knife, lol.
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Standard GM disc brakes. I pull the caliper, install new pads and then simply wedge a large enough socket in there that keeps the pads spread apart while I reinstall the caliper. Simply pull the socket out as your drop the caliper back down over the rotor.
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Originally Posted by Peterbuilt
Pulling the caliper is sometimes faster than playing wac-a mole.
Open and close the bleeder screw to be sure it's not frozen
Using a 5/8 six point socket and a breaker bar remove the caliper.
Open the bleed screw, compress the pistons and insert the pads and use a 7/8 socket between the pads (to hold them apart) as you reinstall the caliper.

Wac-a-mole, that's funny!

Rather than a socket, I have a finely measured and cut piece of wood from a 2 x 4 that I use. It just slides right out as I drop the caliper over/on the disc.
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Originally Posted by kansas123
Wac-a-mole, that's funny!

Rather than a socket, I have a finely measured and cut piece of wood from a 2 x 4 that I use. It just slides right out as I drop the caliper over/on the disc.
I do the same! Works for me. I have two pieces, to keep the pistons compressed when the calipers are hanging (parking brake adjustment, for example).

If you can replace the pads with the calipers in place, it can prevent repair creep, as I discovered when I had to helicoil the hub flange where the caliper bolt had stripped out.
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I use a c-clamp on each pad to hold them open to get them over the rotor.
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Originally Posted by kansas123
Wac-a-mole, that's funny!

Rather than a socket, I have a finely measured and cut piece of wood from a 2 x 4 that I use. It just slides right out as I drop the caliper over/on the disc.
Mines not exactly a precision piece of wood, (never "micrometered it) but a "chunk" of wood a frogs hair wider than the rotor works too. Or buy some pad clips from Vette vendors. Little more high tech.

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Thanks for all the great ideas! In the end once I took off the calipers I just used a clamp on one side and my fingers on the other and they slid right over the rotor.
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DO NOT simply push to pistons back into their bores. That will just push the oldest, nastiest brake fluid back into the master cylinder so that it contaminates everything. As you gently try to separate the space for the new pads, crack the bleeder valve to exhaust whatever fluid you need to get the pad installed, Tighten the valve back down BEFORE you release all pressure on the piston. (Remember that the rear calipers have bleeders on each side.) If you do this well, you should not have to bleed the brakes (if they were firm before you did this work).

Add new fluid to the master cylinder as needed so that level is always above where it can start sucking air.
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
DO NOT simply push to pistons back into their bores. That will just push the oldest, nastiest brake fluid back into the master cylinder so that it contaminates everything. As you gently try to separate the space for the new pads, crack the bleeder valve to exhaust whatever fluid you need to get the pad installed, Tighten the valve back down BEFORE you release all pressure on the piston. (Remember that the rear calipers have bleeders on each side.) If you do this well, you should not have to bleed the brakes (if they were firm before you did this work).

Add new fluid to the master cylinder as needed so that level is always above where it can start sucking air.
yep, I did exactly that from one of the previous suggestions. This forum has been a great help for a novice like me I really appreciate it!
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