Blueprint Engines?
#1
Drifting
Thread Starter
Blueprint Engines?
Wiped a lobe in my flat tappet motor and really dont want to tear it down and rebuild. Looking at a non bank buster motor for replacement. Anybody install this motor? I have 3.70 w 2500 stall. Thanks
https://blueprintengines.com/collect...er-cam-1pc-rms
https://blueprintengines.com/collect...er-cam-1pc-rms
Last edited by gjohnson; 09-18-2018 at 05:23 PM.
#2
Drifting
Blueprint makes some good stuff (it seems). Lots of good reviews on Summit for their long block 383's. I just purchased a 383 short block from them and am waiting for delivery any day. I think this would be a good low buck choice. Roller cam, vortec heads... - nice.
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#4
Wiped a lobe in my flat tappet motor and really dont want to tear it down and rebuild. Looking at a non bank buster motor for replacement. Anybody install this motor? I have 3.73 w 2500 stall. Thanks
https://blueprintengines.com/collect...er-cam-1pc-rms
https://blueprintengines.com/collect...er-cam-1pc-rms
Check out their 383 crate motor for about a grand more. You get a 420 hp aluminum headed motor.
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gjohnson (09-18-2018)
#5
Race Director
I think you should go with this motor instead:
https://sdparts.com/i-24080557-sdpc-...te-engine.html
Who spends $50k on a crate motor
Just including the link to make you aware of Scoggin Dickey. I think Blueprint offers you a little more for your money but SD offers new motors rather than rebuilds. Both are good choices imho.
https://sdparts.com/i-24080557-sdpc-...te-engine.html
Who spends $50k on a crate motor
Just including the link to make you aware of Scoggin Dickey. I think Blueprint offers you a little more for your money but SD offers new motors rather than rebuilds. Both are good choices imho.
#6
Instructor
You would be hard pressed to rebuild your engine to those specs at that price point. Where was this option and my common sense when I went down the big block path years ago? Good luck with what you decide.
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#7
Le Mans Master
I think you should go with this motor instead:
https://sdparts.com/i-24080557-sdpc-...te-engine.html
Who spends $50k on a crate motor
Just including the link to make you aware of Scoggin Dickey. I think Blueprint offers you a little more for your money but SD offers new motors rather than rebuilds. Both are good choices imho.
https://sdparts.com/i-24080557-sdpc-...te-engine.html
Who spends $50k on a crate motor
Just including the link to make you aware of Scoggin Dickey. I think Blueprint offers you a little more for your money but SD offers new motors rather than rebuilds. Both are good choices imho.
Last edited by ajrothm; 09-18-2018 at 11:26 AM.
#8
Le Mans Master
Wiped a lobe in my flat tappet motor and really dont want to tear it down and rebuild. Looking at a non bank buster motor for replacement. Anybody install this motor? I have 3.73 w 2500 stall. Thanks
https://blueprintengines.com/collect...er-cam-1pc-rms
https://blueprintengines.com/collect...er-cam-1pc-rms
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gjohnson (09-18-2018)
#9
Melting Slicks
That’s a good deal I spent more than that on my 350 and it’s built to basically those same specs. Also that eng. is dynoed. I guessed at my HP. and I’m pretty close to that.
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gjohnson (09-18-2018)
#10
I never realized Scoggin Dickey was popular outside of west texas, we just took it for granted I guess. They make a pretty decent race engine, only better race builders are in dallas.
#11
Instructor
Just had the shop install the 383 motor from summit(blueprint) they had a special for $4020.00 and free shipping. arrived in 7 days. They dyno the motor and it shows that it HP is rated at 436 and posted 456 ft Tq. . compare that to the std L48 rated at 165 HP.. I did have the old L48 bored over 030 to 355 cu. alum intake and headers and holley 650 card and it only mad 203 HP at the rear tires. So what I'm saying is don't waste any money improving the L48 and replace with the 383.
#12
Just had the shop install the 383 motor from summit(blueprint) they had a special for $4020.00 and free shipping. arrived in 7 days. They dyno the motor and it shows that it HP is rated at 436 and posted 456 ft Tq. . compare that to the std L48 rated at 165 HP.. I did have the old L48 bored over 030 to 355 cu. alum intake and headers and holley 650 card and it only mad 203 HP at the rear tires. So what I'm saying is don't waste any money improving the L48 and replace with the 383.
#13
Le Mans Master
Correct^^^^^^^^^^^^. Almost every crate motor is rated at GROSS HP, NOT Net, like every car today and since 1972 has been rated at Net HP, not gross HP, which is very misleading. The only crate engines that are rated at Net HP are ONLY if the engine has or was installed in a production automobile. For example, you can buy a GM crate LS7 427 which is rated at 505 NET HP, just like it was in the C6Z06. GM does not list the LS7 as GROSS HP.
Post #11 is all over the board with Gross HP 383 ratings, Net Hp stock L-48 rating and then RWHP for the rebuilt/upgraded L-48 355...apples to oranges to tangerines. You cannot compare those ratings without a conversion factor of different percentages.
BTW-If you are going to install a crate motor, just go 383........Pretty good deal for $4K and 420 GROSS HP!!!
My only comment is the block is .040 bored so pretty much rules out any rebuild in the future if needed and the hyper pistons make me nervous since they don't tolerate any detonation and probably the reason for the 91 octane requirement to stave off any destruction, especially with a 10:1 compression and aluminum heads?
Post #11 is all over the board with Gross HP 383 ratings, Net Hp stock L-48 rating and then RWHP for the rebuilt/upgraded L-48 355...apples to oranges to tangerines. You cannot compare those ratings without a conversion factor of different percentages.
BTW-If you are going to install a crate motor, just go 383........Pretty good deal for $4K and 420 GROSS HP!!!
My only comment is the block is .040 bored so pretty much rules out any rebuild in the future if needed and the hyper pistons make me nervous since they don't tolerate any detonation and probably the reason for the 91 octane requirement to stave off any destruction, especially with a 10:1 compression and aluminum heads?
Last edited by jb78L-82; 09-19-2018 at 06:25 AM.
#14
Race Director
OK....just did this with another forum member....
THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT
GO 396.... SKIP OVER THE WIMPY 383..
https://www.jegs.com/i/Blueprint-Eng...961CT/10002/-1
30 month / 50,000 mileNOTES:
https://blueprintengines.com/pages/dyno-promise
THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT
GO 396.... SKIP OVER THE WIMPY 383..
https://www.jegs.com/i/Blueprint-Eng...961CT/10002/-1
- HP & Torque: 491 HP / 509 FT LBS
Compression Ratio: 10.4:1
Aluminum Heads
Hydraulic Roller Cam
Forged Crank
Forged Pistons
- Hand picked seasoned block
Square and parallel decked
Align honed main bearing bore
Cylinders honed on computer controlled machine to within .0002 straightness and roundness
Cylinders are sonic tested for thickness
4-Bolt Main
4.000" Bored .040" Over
1-Piece Rear Main Seal
Mech fuel pump provision: Yes
Passenger Side Dipstick - Drilled and tapped for clutch linkage
- New BluePrint Forged Crankshaft
3.875 " Stroke
Forged I-beam 6.000" connecting rods
Forged Pistons
Internal Front/ External Rear
- BluePrint Aluminum Cylinder Heads - HP8103
64cc chamber
2.08" intake/1.60" exhaust valves
220cc intake/67cc exhaust runners
- Cam Type: Roller
.544 Intake .555 Exhaust
230 Intake / 236 Exhaust duration
@ .050, 110 ° lobe separation angle
- 34 degrees total at 3500 RPM
- Valve covers, oil pan and timing cover
Brass freeze plugs
Dyno test results shipped with engine
30 month / 50,000 mileNOTES:
- *A bronze distributor gear is NOT recommended on this engine
Not for use in pollution controlled vehicles.
https://blueprintengines.com/pages/dyno-promise
#15
Burning Brakes
My blueprint engine 408w in my mustang is great, had it about 6 years now and its a beast at almost 500hp, BP was great to deal with too at the time when i needed exact details on various tech details, i have never had a problem with it
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#16
Melting Slicks
Wiped a lobe in my flat tappet motor and really dont want to tear it down and rebuild. Looking at a non bank buster motor for replacement. Anybody install this motor? I have 3.73 w 2500 stall. Thanks
https://blueprintengines.com/collect...er-cam-1pc-rms
https://blueprintengines.com/collect...er-cam-1pc-rms
#17
Le Mans Master
As Paul says, cheap buy twice...As long as you are well aware that a blueprint engine is making cheap HP and you are K with that aspect...go for it. Yes the steel crank also makes me nervous at those HP levels and beyond...Roulette....Just me
Agree also, if you are going bigger than a 355, GO BIG, 396/406 427 SBC!!!!
Agree also, if you are going bigger than a 355, GO BIG, 396/406 427 SBC!!!!
#18
Drifting
Thread Starter
Thanks for the replys but a few of you missed my point. I dont want a bank buster. I want a decent driver/ cruiser. No I dont race it. If money wasnt an issue I'd have a 500 +HP FIRE BREATHER. Some of us just dont have unlimited funds for toys.My Vette is way down the priority food chain.
Thanks again guys!
Thanks again guys!
Last edited by gjohnson; 09-18-2018 at 05:36 PM.
#19
Race Director
As Paul says, cheap buy twice...As long as you are well aware that a blueprint engine is making cheap HP and you are K with that aspect...go for it. Yes the steel crank also makes me nervous at those HP levels and beyond...Roulette....Just me
Agree also, if you are going bigger than a 355, GO BIG, 396/406 427 SBC!!!!
Agree also, if you are going bigger than a 355, GO BIG, 396/406 427 SBC!!!!
How long will you own your C3? 10 years? $1000 over 10 years is $100 a year... less than $8 a month.... is 100hp worth $8 a month, 8$? to me? yes...
#20
Burning Brakes
Thanks for the replys but a few of you missed my point. I dont want a bank buster. I want a decent driver/ cruiser. No I dont race it. If money wasnt an issue I'd have a 500 +HP FIRE BREATHER. Some of us just dont have unlimited funds for toys.My Vette is way down the priority food chain.
Thanks again guys!
Thanks again guys!
my 408 from blueprint made 480hp and 515tq, and it was dirt cheap, 4800.00 i think... ive had two performance engines built, and neither is anywhere close to that price BUT they are ready for power adders without having to worry about them, but as they sit they dont make any more power than that cheap 408
to me, the blueprint engines are a great deal, just my .02 because with the prices of machining and parts and people just going up in general from inflation, now im going to carefully phrase this but... if your not a machinist with access to high end tools and you dont have any friends that are, and you are building an engine FROM SCRATCH (zero existing parts) you can NOT build a 500hp/tq engine for under 5k PERIOD
You can argue this all you want, start putting a price list together on summit /jegs if you still think you can build a budget buster for 2k and make even 400hp... I'll eat my shoe without sauce
Last edited by naramlee; 09-18-2018 at 05:56 PM.