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Old Sep 19, 2018 | 04:49 PM
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This is my first Corvette... 68 BB Convt...
Appears the float bowl is leaking or draining (not leaking from carb onto manifold but draining back to tank?)
When the car is parked for a few days, I have to crank it for a while to allow the fuel pump to fill the bowl. It then fires up and runs well.

I am thinking a basic rebuild of the carb is in order. But... I am a Holley guy and think "Holley"
I have never touched a Q-jet carb...
Is this a simple rebuild or is there more to it? Is there anything unusual about these carbs.
Is this a simple DIY project?

Thanks Tom

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Old Sep 19, 2018 | 05:36 PM
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Cliff Ruggles has an excellent book on Quadra-jets if you want to try it yourself.
If you are not sure you want to do it look up Lars on this forum. He also has papers you can
download to help you if you are interested.

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Yes, get the book (or maybe available on line?). This carb is as simple or as intricate as you want. There are numerous adjustments that you may or may not need and there are a few tricks for reassembly. I'm sure that there are different brands of rebuild kits available so you'd want to research which is best or most complete. Make sure that the float is compatible with modern gasohol.
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Old Sep 19, 2018 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom_K
This is my first Corvette... 68 BB Convt...
Appears the float bowl is leaking or draining (not leaking from carb onto manifold but draining back to tank?)
When the car is parked for a few days, I have to crank it for a while to allow the fuel pump to fill the bowl. It then fires up and runs well.

I am thinking a basic rebuild of the carb is in order. But... I am a Holley guy and think "Holley"
I have never touched a Q-jet carb...
Is this a simple rebuild or is there more to it? Is there anything unusual about these carbs.
Is this a simple DIY project?

Thanks Tom
if your corvette has a return line to the fuel tank you need a fuel filter with a check valve to prevent the float bowl from emptying.
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Old Sep 20, 2018 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom_K
This is my first Corvette... 68 BB Convt...
Appears the float bowl is leaking or draining (not leaking from carb onto manifold but draining back to tank?)
When the car is parked for a few days, I have to crank it for a while to allow the fuel pump to fill the bowl. It then fires up and runs well.

I am thinking a basic rebuild of the carb is in order. But... I am a Holley guy and think "Holley"
I have never touched a Q-jet carb...
Is this a simple rebuild or is there more to it? Is there anything unusual about these carbs.
Is this a simple DIY project?

Thanks Tom
Went through the same thing with my float bowl draining after a day or two. Filter with a check valve didn't do anything for me. Ended up being float bowl well plugs seeping. If you search on the forum you will find the walkthrough, but basically you drill out the solder plugs and tap them. Then thread in a plug coated in JB weld to seal it up. After that, my car started up first try even after sitting for days!
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Old Sep 20, 2018 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mobird
Went through the same thing with my float bowl draining after a day or two. Filter with a check valve didn't do anything for me. Ended up being float bowl well plugs seeping. If you search on the forum you will find the walkthrough, but basically you drill out the solder plugs and tap them. Then thread in a plug coated in JB weld to seal it up. After that, my car started up first try even after sitting for days!
I have rebuilt many Q jets in my 40 year of rebuilding carbs and never saw a Q jet with spun in bowl plugs leak there
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Old Sep 20, 2018 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PAmotorman
I have rebuilt many Q jets in my 40 year of rebuilding carbs and never saw a Q jet with spun in bowl plugs leak there
Well I can attest to the fact that my well plugs were leaking. I pulled the Qjet off the motor and set it up on my workbench with the float bowl full of fuel. Made sure everything was clean and dry. Came back a few hours later and the well plugs were slightly damp. Dried them off again just to be doubly sure, and a few hours later they were slightly wet with fuel again. So mine were DEFINITELY leaking. Hence drilling, tapping, and inserting a threaded plug. The JB weld was to be doubly sure that it couldn't leak past the threads. I definitely didn't want to do this job, put it on my engine and have the same problem as before without knowing why just because I skipped sealing my threads thoroughly.
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I haven't done it yet on my 79, but I suspect that I'll find the same weeping plugs when I pull it apart.

Short of a rebuild, try the other things first. The check valve fuel filter helped, but didnt fix the problem for me.
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https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/384228-help-asap-quadrajet-leakdown-which-plugs-do-i-epoxy.html

Here's an old thread with Lars' suggestions of things to try.
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Originally Posted by PAmotorman
I have rebuilt many Q jets in my 40 year of rebuilding carbs and never saw a Q jet with spun in bowl plugs leak there
Originally Posted by mobird
I can attest to the fact that my well plugs were leaking.
You are both correct. The leaking well plugs are a rarity - very seldom do you actually see this problem. In the 800+ carbs I have rebuilt over the years, I can count the number of leaking plugs on one hand. When you do see it, it is usually on the early ('66 - 70) carbs. I've never seen it on the '71+ carbs. The test method and repair process is exactly as mobird describes: Fill the bowl with fuel and set the carb up on your workbench so you can observe the bottom. If it leaks, you cannot repair it by just "smearing" the plugs with JBWeld, as most rebuilders do. That exercise is pointless. The plugs must be drilled and tapped, and threaded inserts, coated with JBWeld, must be installed.

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Originally Posted by lars
You are both correct. The leaking well plugs are a rarity - very seldom do you actually see this problem. In the 800+ carbs I have rebuilt over the years, I can count the number of leaking plugs on one hand. When you do see it, it is usually on the early ('66 - 70) carbs. I've never seen it on the '71+ carbs. The test method and repair process is exactly as mobird describes: Fill the bowl with fuel and set the carb up on your workbench so you can observe the bottom. If it leaks, you cannot repair it by just "smearing" the plugs with JBWeld, as most rebuilders do. That exercise is pointless. The plugs must be drilled and tapped, and threaded inserts, coated with JBWeld, must be installed.

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I got you a first then! My carb # shows as being from a 79. But also when I took mine apart there were a few "bubba" things in it, including finding that the well plugs already had alittle epoxy around the edges of them, clearly someone had just smeared it on there and it did nothing. So mine may not be a fair example, who knows what dumb stuff the previous owner did before. Ended up stripping the carb completely down to clean every passage and then rebuilt it and replaced nearly everything along the way. Night and day difference for sure.
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Originally Posted by lars
You are both correct. The leaking well plugs are a rarity - very seldom do you actually see this problem. In the 800+ carbs I have rebuilt over the years, I can count the number of leaking plugs on one hand. When you do see it, it is usually on the early ('66 - 70) carbs. I've never seen it on the '71+ carbs. The test method and repair process is exactly as mobird describes: Fill the bowl with fuel and set the carb up on your workbench so you can observe the bottom. If it leaks, you cannot repair it by just "smearing" the plugs with JBWeld, as most rebuilders do. That exercise is pointless. The plugs must be drilled and tapped, and threaded inserts, coated with JBWeld, must be installed.

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I would set the main body on a sheet of clean white paper and put lacquer thinner in the float bowl and if it leaked you would see it on the white paper the early ones with press in expansion plugs I just machined some aluminum plugs with a O" ring seal

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when modifying Q jets for racing you had to remove those spun in plugs to enlarge the secondary fuel passages and they were a bitch to get out so I could never see how they could leak.
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Originally Posted by PAmotorman
if your corvette has a return line to the fuel tank you need a fuel filter with a check valve to prevent the float bowl from emptying.
be careful with these check valves because I had one on my quadrajet and the ethanol in the gas made the rubber around the check valve expand and starve the engine of gas. took me two weeks and a 100 mile tow to figure it out. I took the check valve out and if it sits a couple hours just press the gas pedal twice and it starts right up. with that being said I have been told the qjet is the 'best' for our setup on vettes. a lot of guys who know other brands don't care for it because of the intricacies of the qjet but from what I have been told since I am also a noob is that the qjet is well worth learning and understanding how to properly rebuild and tune it.
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Old Oct 3, 2018 | 10:58 AM
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Well how about that, for decades the OE E4ME on my 1981 would be dry after a week of sitting...I just thought the gas evaporated out of it...(I hate Q-Jets, give me a Holly 4150 any day, so easy to work-on and tune)

With that being said, just yesterday I dropped off a Q-Jet that was under my bench for decades, it was on a BBC Truck (1978-79) for a full rebuild and tested on an engine before handed back to me.
I'm removing the ECM controlled Q-Jet and ECM controlled distributor...I've had enough of it and acting up.
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