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Old Dec 9, 2018 | 10:27 AM
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Recently I rebuilt my 350, new cam lifters, Summit , dual sprocket timing chain set at zero, alloy heads etc etc, the car has run very well and was set up with about 15 degrees of initial timing and 35 total, the car had a hei distriutor. The other day I thought I would re check the timing and to my surprise initial timing was showing at Over 40 degrees!, my immediate thought was that the damper had spun on the rubber moving the timing mark relative to the crank, it was one part that I did not replace, so I fitted a new performance damper and also a more compact distributor as the HEI was very tight up to the bulkhead. I checked tdc with the new damper and the marks line up, rotor arm on no 1 firing stroke cranked the engine and got it running put the timing light on and again needed 40 degrees to get it to run, can't understand it, new timing gears, new damper, no kick back on the starter whilst cranking?, I have checked no 1 and no six and they both valves Rick as they should over tdc, it's a mystery, this engine should not run or crank with that much initial timing, the timing light is a dial back model, could this be the culprit, any advice, help would be much appreciated
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Old Dec 9, 2018 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike B Smith
Recently I rebuilt my 350, new cam lifters, Summit , dual sprocket timing chain set at zero, alloy heads etc etc, the car has run very well and was set up with about 15 degrees of initial timing and 35 total, the car had a hei distriutor. The other day I thought I would re check the timing and to my surprise initial timing was showing at Over 40 degrees!, my immediate thought was that the damper had spun on the rubber moving the timing mark relative to the crank, it was one part that I did not replace, so I fitted a new performance damper and also a more compact distributor as the HEI was very tight up to the bulkhead. I checked tdc with the new damper and the marks line up, rotor arm on no 1 firing stroke cranked the engine and got it running put the timing light on and again needed 40 degrees to get it to run, can't understand it, new timing gears, new damper, no kick back on the starter whilst cranking?, I have checked no 1 and no six and they both valves Rick as they should over tdc, it's a mystery, this engine should not run or crank with that much initial timing, the timing light is a dial back model, could this be the culprit, any advice, help would be much appreciated
You didn't say if you disconnected the vacuum advance to the distributor, so how much vacuum advance is the distributor adding. Usually about an additional 15 degrees. Compare disconnected vs connected.
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Old Dec 9, 2018 | 10:43 AM
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sounds like your setback timing light is off
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Old Dec 9, 2018 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by lt-1 kid
sounds like your setback timing light is off
been there done that!!
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disconnect your vacuum advance and use a different timing light.. if you had actually 40 degrees at idle you would not be able to spin the motor to start it
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Agreed. Spark would ignite mixture too soon and stop engine cold. Possibly breaking the starter nose.
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Old Dec 9, 2018 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LT-1 kid
sounds like your setback timing light is off
Yep.....my Craftsman setback timing light just bit the dust with erroneous readings. Didn't know until I compared it with some other timing lights which registered OK.
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