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Old Jan 20, 2019 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMinnesota
So, what running temp is too LOW in your opinions? I'm thinking change up to 180 stat to bring my temp up, as my combo is running down at 160 with the 160 thermostat. Is that sufficient for good combustion? In the spring and fall it doesn't give much for heat in the cockpit.
I would change it to 180 and enjoy the drive.
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Old Jan 20, 2019 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by lars
No. The 'stat cannot control max temp. Only minimum temp. Once the thermostat is open, it's open, and it cannot do anything more. Max temp is controlled by cooling system capacity, heat load into the system, and heat exchange efficiencies.

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Yep. If the cooling system capacity is not large enough to reject the heat through the rad, then over heating will begin. Solution: Increase capacity by increasing radiator sizeor a different rad material of construction. Hence, more volume of coolant and increased dwell time of the coolant in the rad results in cooler coolant exiting the rad. Thus, the engine is maintained at its designed operating temp by the modulating opening/closing/all points in-between design of the ts. As engine load increases, ts opens more to permit more cooled coolant to enter the engine block and replace the hotter coolant. Engine load decreases and the ts begins to close, but not shut. At steady state, cruising on a flat road at a constant speed, the ts will find the correct balance, but not fully open, to regulate the coolant allowed into the engine from the rad.

I can't see why people find this so difficult to understand. I've posted many times on this and supplied references from various sources such as the GM service manual, guys with Ph.D's who study this **** for a living in which car companies use that information to design their cooling systems to prevent engines from over heating.

If a car is overheating, example: 180* ts and guage is reading 210*, then there is a defect somewhere in the cooling system. Most likely, a clogged radiator which is a reduced cooling capacity condition. Or, if the engine is modified from 200 hp to 500 hp and the coolant capacity didn't change, then a good chance there will be overheating.
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Old Jan 20, 2019 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jebbysan
Let me put it this way....
If your Vette runs 230 degrees with a 195 thermostat
it will run 230 degrees with a 180 or 160 thermostat as well.....it just will.

If your Vette runs a steady 180 with a 180 stat....you Might run cooler with a 160....if the cooling system is that efficient enough.

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Not if you throw in a nice big alumium rad. Run all day at 180* No need to change ts. Lots of guys in here will attest to this.
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Old Jan 20, 2019 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMinnesota
So, what running temp is too LOW in your opinions? I'm thinking change up to 180 stat to bring my temp up, as my combo is running down at 160 with the 160 thermostat. Is that sufficient for good combustion? In the spring and fall it doesn't give much for heat in the cockpit.
For street use, 180*. 160* is too cool for oil to properly lubricate and therefore, increased wear will occur. To get the engine to cool to 160* you may need to put a bigger rad in.
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Old Jan 20, 2019 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by resdoggie
For street use, 180*. 160* is too cool for oil to properly lubricate and therefore, increased wear will occur. To get the engine to cool to 160* you may need to put a bigger rad in.
fresh motor and completely fresh (stock) cooling system, so it does run at 160 even on a stifling day right now. Thanks - I'll change to 180 stat in the spring and it should work well.
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Old Jan 20, 2019 | 03:04 PM
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Lets face it. Oil lubricates well below zero. Ask those fellas up in Alaska and the Artic Circle.
Nothing wrong with 160*. Its not too cool. Ask the drag racers as they bring their car into staging with a cold engine.
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Originally Posted by JoeMinnesota
So, what running temp is too LOW in your opinions? I'm thinking change up to 180 stat to bring my temp up, as my combo is running down at 160 with the 160 thermostat. Is that sufficient for good combustion? In the spring and fall it doesn't give much for heat in the cockpit.
Just to muddy the waters, I will throw in some wisdom from the aviation community. I was taught that an aircraft engine needs to get up over 200 degrees to ensure that any moisture in the oil is driven off. If engine temperature doesn't get high enough, water in the oil will compromise lubrication. Always seemed logical to me. BTW I run a 180 thermostat.

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Old Jan 22, 2019 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by lars
Always keep in mind that the thermostat can only control the minimum temperature of the engine. The thermostat has no control at all over maximum temperature of the engine. If you're having overheating problems, you won't solve it with a thermostat temperature range change, unless the thermostat is defective.
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^^^THIS^^^ I have NEVER understood why people replace their 180-195* stat for a 160* stat and hope is cures their heating issue?

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Hopefully this does not throw the thread off to far I agree with the stock t-stat whatever that was.
Now my question and we have a lot of smart people here is, and this always makes me think then the smoke out my ears happens LOL.
Giving that the cooling system is working properly why is it that during hotter times of the year engines supposedly run hotter.

Now here’s where I get confused if the ambient temp is way lower than the engine temp, let’s say it is 95 degrees out and your car gets hotter than when it is cool. I mean I hear people say all the time my car runs hotter in the summer.
Why is that guess my mind does not wrap around 95 degrees making 195 degrees hotter it’s 100 degrees cooler so it should get a fair amount of heat exchange. Did any of that make sense or did I just make myself out to be a dummy ��

Sorry to hijack your thread.
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