Steeroids vs Headers?
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From: Austin TX
Steeroids vs Headers?
Just got the new issue of Corvette Fever which includes an article on Steeroids installation.
It makes a big deal out of header clearance/interference with the steering shaft.
Has this been a problem for those who have installed Steeroids so far?
It makes a big deal out of header clearance/interference with the steering shaft.
Has this been a problem for those who have installed Steeroids so far?
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Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (flynhi)
I know that when doing my install, of my own system, which gave me complete factility to avoid the headers I had.....I could NOT do it....
I had to change headers.....better design/headers anyway, so I"m ahead of the game....I think my sig file has a shot of the input linkage and the headers on there now....
GENE
I had to change headers.....better design/headers anyway, so I"m ahead of the game....I think my sig file has a shot of the input linkage and the headers on there now....
GENE
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Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (flynhi)
I have Hooker comps. and had no problem with the installation.I have much more clearance with steeroids than with the oem steering.Some will disagree but in mho Hookers cost more but you get what you pay for. :chevy
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Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (J75)
I have Hooker comps. and had no problem with the installation.I have much more clearance with steeroids than with the oem steering.
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Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (paso)
paso, it looks like you had a little interference with the lower u-joint. Is that correct? Did the set screws hit or was it something else?
We are trying to fill in as much information as we can about which headers fit so we can inform our customers. We have been compiling a list but there are so many header designs that it will take time to make it comprehensive. The headers on our test car are mysterious in origin but have the identical routing pattern to the Walker Dynomax headers for a small block.
We are very interested in hearing from others with our kit. What headers are you running and how did they fit?
I don't mean to hijack your thread flyhi, but we are very interested in these answers as well. What headers are you running? Perhaps we already know if they will fit or not.
We are trying to fill in as much information as we can about which headers fit so we can inform our customers. We have been compiling a list but there are so many header designs that it will take time to make it comprehensive. The headers on our test car are mysterious in origin but have the identical routing pattern to the Walker Dynomax headers for a small block.
We are very interested in hearing from others with our kit. What headers are you running and how did they fit?
I don't mean to hijack your thread flyhi, but we are very interested in these answers as well. What headers are you running? Perhaps we already know if they will fit or not.
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Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (flynhi)
Speed, Flynhi, anyone have any ideas where to look or who may have made the headers on MY car....shown on the sig file???
headers are the same design on both sides....large tube with an unbeleiveable 5" collector....reduced to 2.5 inch for stock exhaust....
but they fit my car....but who built them BTW...3/8 inch flange....
GENE
headers are the same design on both sides....large tube with an unbeleiveable 5" collector....reduced to 2.5 inch for stock exhaust....
but they fit my car....but who built them BTW...3/8 inch flange....
GENE
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From: Santo TX
Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (mrvette)
Gene, those kind of look like Stahl headers. Somewhat like these.
I know that Stahl sells components and unassembled headers so these may be a custom set or and older design. Stahl sells high quality stuff, I would expect 3/8" flanges from them.
flynhi, Blackjack and DynoMax are the same company so the routing pattern is probably the same. I wont say with certainty that this is the case but I believe it is. If you have a picture that you could post of your driver side header, I may be able to make a better determination.
I know that Stahl sells components and unassembled headers so these may be a custom set or and older design. Stahl sells high quality stuff, I would expect 3/8" flanges from them.
flynhi, Blackjack and DynoMax are the same company so the routing pattern is probably the same. I wont say with certainty that this is the case but I believe it is. If you have a picture that you could post of your driver side header, I may be able to make a better determination.
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Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (Speed Direct)
Speed, sorry, not Stahl.....example is way too far to outside, and my sig file shows #1 cyl coming straight back above 3-5 and then down to join in with them....7 coming in at the collector...both sides are similar, and loos somewhat like your example, but NOT so far out to the side....
I"m deathly afraid these are lightweight customs...
but would love the assurance they are someone's production so I save one hell of a lot of research when the time comes...I hate leaving stuff undocumented...
GENE
I"m deathly afraid these are lightweight customs...
but would love the assurance they are someone's production so I save one hell of a lot of research when the time comes...I hate leaving stuff undocumented...
GENE
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From: Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada
Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (Speed Direct)
Speed Yes the set screws were interfering however the body of the yoke was hitting as well. (if I turned the set screw area away the body of yoke still hit) I just recently lowered the body back down on the frame and I have not began hooking things up yet. The initial look see indicates I still maybe facing some issues. The yoke is perhaps standing up too straight to clear and thus moving the yoke that connects to the steering coloum too far away from the splines for adequate engagement. ( I hate inadequate engagement :D ) I will keep you posted. I do have more differant angle pictures if interested anybody. :)
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Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (flynhi)
All of the replies seem to be from people with small blocks. Does anyone know if there is clearance for the Steeroids installation on a big block with headers?
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Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (groovyjay)
groovyjay, the posistion of your ball socket tightened to the bracket is identical to the posistioning of my set up. If you read my earlier post regarding when I lowered the body back down. I'd be curious what posistion the nuts are in some of the other set ups. ie: further down the threads as this would allow the joint assembly to move further back thus allowing the engagement on the steering shaft splines. It is deceiving I think for those of us that are installing the kit with the body off. As the placement and the denting of the header looks good and we got the clearance we needed but it may need to lay backwards farther yet ( more denting) :)
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Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (flynhi)
I have a small block with ceramc coated dynomax headers I am thinking on buying the rack and opinion conversion kit in the near future. Will the system fit without modifiying the headers on the drivers side.
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Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (groovyjay)
groovy, nah, a small big block......;-)))
but thing is, i'ts impossible for anyone doing this sort of chassis frame steering modifications to allow for every possible header design....I had the luxury of playing with my original headers in the car with everything at hand, and STILL could not orient the rack/input linkage to a spot that allowed the header clearance....I had to change header style...I got what I consider exceedingly lucky with the used set on the car now...from a circle track car, I think, down the road guy who builds that type racers....
thing is though I"d LOVE to ID the maker of those headers....so when replacement comes up...it can be done....
GENE
but thing is, i'ts impossible for anyone doing this sort of chassis frame steering modifications to allow for every possible header design....I had the luxury of playing with my original headers in the car with everything at hand, and STILL could not orient the rack/input linkage to a spot that allowed the header clearance....I had to change header style...I got what I consider exceedingly lucky with the used set on the car now...from a circle track car, I think, down the road guy who builds that type racers....
thing is though I"d LOVE to ID the maker of those headers....so when replacement comes up...it can be done....
GENE
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From: Santo TX
Re: Steeroids vs Headers? (groovyjay)
Paso, the adjusted position that Groovyjay has on the support bearing is probably pretty close to what it will eventually wind up being. Usually the bearing is threaded nearly all the way in, like he has it.
Groovyjay, can I get your permission to use that picture on our web site so others can see what interferes on this type of header?
Groovyjay, can I get your permission to use that picture on our web site so others can see what interferes on this type of header?