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Old Jul 17, 2019 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 7t9l82



sure, headers and ignition and carb tuning is modified. But the point was about someone that has AFR heads a bigger cam and other stuff. That is what I would think is modified.
You are correct. But post #1... 'the troll' only asked about an intake on an otherwise stock 350.
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Old Jul 17, 2019 | 04:34 PM
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I took that into account, however we have a member that apparently feels attacked because I disagree strongly with him on the factory intake. I like everyone here alot and wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings,but.if I think someone is misguided I feel a responsibility to speak up.
There are alot of guys that build or machine engines but that doesn't make them an engine builder.I built all but one of my old pro stock engines years ago and mine weren't as good as most of the other guys, but really there wasn't much difference.but we couldn't go get a sonny Leonard engine like people today or test on our own dyno,it was trial and error,that's an engine builder.guys like sonny leonard,Scott shafiroff Richie zul,General Lee Edwards, Carlton Phillips those guys and more are engine builders all guys I learned from. If I hurt anyones feelings that's unfortunate.
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Old Jul 17, 2019 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jim2527
You are correct. But post #1... 'the troll' only asked about an intake on an otherwise stock 350.
I doubt he's a troll. Didn't even know which forum to post his question. Also, he's probably totally confused. But everyone knows the Team G single plane is so well designed it beats out ant dual plane and works great on the street.

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I took that into account, however we have a member that apparently feels attacked because I disagree strongly with him on the factory intake. I like everyone here alot and wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings,but.if I think someone is misguided I feel a responsibility to speak up.
There are alot of guys that build or machine engines but that doesn't make them an engine builder.I built all but one of my old pro stock engines years ago and mine weren't as good as most of the other guys, but really there wasn't much difference.but we couldn't go get a sonny Leonard engine like people today or test on our own dyno,it was trial and error,that's an engine builder.guys like sonny leonard,Scott shafiroff Richie zul,General Lee Edwards, Carlton Phillips those guys and more are engine builders all guys I learned from. If I hurt anyones feelings that's unfortunate.
You have every right to voice your opinion. Remember, there are those that actually know and those that think they know.
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Old Jul 18, 2019 | 07:19 AM
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Maybe instead of having a debate and hijacking a thread they could start their own threads/
How about a thread on Intake Manifolds, one on Cowl and Ram Induction, etc. And of course the great Qjet vs Holley controversy.
These guys take over a thread and just continue to argue back-and-forth without any pretense of actrually answering the original posters question.

And just because they can drop "famous" names in their post does not make them right or wrong.

I am really getting tired of having to wade thru these quasi great debaters in post after post in any thread they can find.

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Old Jul 18, 2019 | 08:22 AM
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Congratulations! You just did what you accuse others of.and added nothing at all to the subject.
If you don't like a discussion on a topic perhaps you shouldn't read them.
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Old Jul 18, 2019 | 08:26 AM
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Well, of course the "discussion on a topic" by the OP had long been trampled on!
Some people just can't get the hint!
Bye Bye.......
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Old Jul 18, 2019 | 08:29 AM
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Apparently not.
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Old Jul 18, 2019 | 11:45 AM
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To bad this thread ended up in a crash. Really some good info put out on manifolds. Maybe I shouldn't have said anything about a troll but ya know that's really the typical profile where a single post by a new member that has no public profile or even a car to list. Just something I thought others should know about when they try to help someone that is more likely a farse. Kinda sets the thread off in a meaningless direction. In fact I think I should delete most of my earlier post.

Sometimes when you park under a tree for shade you end up with bird poop on your car. What else can I say.
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It didn't end in a crash, just some people get feelings hurt and that's how it goes sometimes. You didn't post anything wit the intent to slam anyone and neither did i. Truthfully I don't think anyone was really out of line there is good information in this thread and I'm sure people will see that going forward.maybe I will post viewer warning on my responses going forward.lol.
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Originally Posted by 7t9l82
It didn't end in a crash, just some people get feelings hurt and that's how it goes sometimes. You didn't post anything wit the intent to slam anyone and neither did i. Truthfully I don't think anyone was really out of line there is good information in this thread and I'm sure people will see that going forward.maybe I will post viewer warning on my responses going forward.lol.
I agree with this statement 100%. What's the big deal about the thread going off on a tangent? There was a lot of interesting content in here. Pick and choose what you want to believe. I don't think any mortal enemies were created here.
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Old Jul 19, 2019 | 03:36 PM
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I have a 1977 corvette 350 auto with ram manifolds and cat delete. I plan on putting a holley 670 street avenger on it with a edlebrock intake but I don't know if I should get performance rpm, air gap, vic jr ? I only drive it on the street. I do plan on modifying it more but not for a couple years after this.
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If you want to start your performance upgrades with a new intake and carb, go right ahead. Carb and intake have been the first performance upgrades done for decades. As others have said, they won't make much improvements with a stone stock '77 350 underneath. But, you will have what you need if down the road you want to upgrade to better heads and a cam swap. Let's face it, today's new intakes look so much better under the hood than the stocker GM stuff.

Intakes that we BluePrint Engines have had experience fitting under the flat type hood of a 77 Corvette are the Edelbrock RPM EPS 2701 and Weiand 8120WND Street Warrior. These two also do not impede horsepower on our 430 hp 383's. The other go to intake for the Corvette crowd is the Performer 2101.Those are great because they will take the original QJet carb. These will be down a few hp on a 430 hp 383, but only above 5000 rpm. People often freak out when they hear that their engine will lose 10-15 hp with an intake choice. But, if you read those articles on intake comparisons, the loss of horsepower is way way up in the RPM band. Ask yourself honestly how often you are going over 5000 RPM driving your Vette, then make the choice. Use a drop base air cleaner for a bit more hood clearance.under the hood.

Others have mentioned that headers and a better exhaust system are also a great next step for performance increases over the stock stuff. Full length headers and a full dual exhaust system provide the best performance increases. A lot of people go to block hugger headers over the ram's horn manifolds. While they do look better, they really don't perform any better.

Have fun with your Corvette. Remember, it is your car. Build it to your vision and wants.

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