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Old Dec 31, 2019 | 01:10 AM
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anybody with a dyno simulator help!

i have a 350 bored .30 over
comp cam 280h with aluminum heads and edelbrock performer intake would love to know h.p. and tq numbers on this
BORE 4.030
STROKE 3.48
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.480 lift
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2.02 exhaust 1.65 intake valves
edelbrock performer eps intake
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650 cfm double pumper holley
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Old Dec 31, 2019 | 01:34 AM
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You need to know what the heads are / what they flow and your compression ratio to get close.
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Id bet 360/380 without knowing more
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Old Dec 31, 2019 | 08:01 AM
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You need to know what the heads are / what they flow and your compression ratio to get close.
they are dart pro 1 heads 200cc with 11.1 compression
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Old Jan 1, 2020 | 02:58 AM
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This is what I am getting without knowing all the details:




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Had a combo very similar
T350 cheap 2800 stall
2xx to the ground just under 3xx tq on an old Clayton water dyno. Probably todays 300 rwhp car lowish 14s?
10:1 PAW shorty Dart 215 300-36 holley 280 type cam (SSI regrind, Isky 280 ran a lil better) typical headers etc.
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Old Jan 1, 2020 | 05:41 PM
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That simulation looks about right at 370 Gross HP and about 325 RWHP with what you have...Great Dart Heads but a little too big for a 355 at 200 CC and a strong compression at 11:1. That flat tappet cam with .480 lift is absolutely killing the power potential. A roller cam with .525-.550 lift would give you about 425-450 Gross HP.....
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Also figure about 360 with old heads, lil better with more modern. I honestly felt next to no difference with stock 462....bigger int valves than 200 cc Darts only way up top. Not worth it. still ran strong and smoked tires.
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The Jebby meter has this combo closer to 380-390.........the cam is ok but the carb and manifold are too small for the heads potential.....needs a 750 and RPM intake or Victor Jr./Team G.
The 280H Magnum is a very old but trusty grind......and it works best with 1.6 rockers for a total lift of .512.......the carb and manifold that I just mentioned would push this into the 410 range.
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so the performer rpm is better then the performer eps? and my heads are to large for my setup?
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The heads are not too large. The 650 Holley is bordering on too small.

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No the heads are not too big. Research on dynos have proven that the 200 heads are fine and do not drop-out fuel atomization that was once a concern years ago.
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Having build a half dozen 355's with Dart 180 heads......I am going to have to lean in this direction......it will have a broader torque curve.
Yes.....the 7101 Performer RPM is a high rise dual plane....the EPS is a touch higher than a 2101 Performer but flows a little better.....
The 7501 RPM Air Gap is even better upstairs than a RPM as it has the divider cut down a bit. A 750 Street HP would be nice on this.
1.6 rockers on the 280H and you got yourself a 410-415 horse engine......
I would consider the mentioned Trick Flow DHC heads as well....but I am partial to Dart's for a lot of reasons......

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If the O.P. is hitting the drag strip all the time, looking to cut a couple tenths, then it would be worth swapping $1500-$2,000 parts. But looking at post one, this is a street warrior and that kind of money could be spent more wisely elsewhere. Keep the heads. Its not worth fretting over 20 CFMs.
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The heads are not too big, just not optimal for the best power for the street, but will work fine....just for clarification.....
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alright thanks for all the advice i’m gonna swap the 650 out for a bigger carb and then swap the intake out trying to get a good street car that’s got enough power to run good passes at the strip maybe 12s
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350? leave the 650 trust me
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so what would be better the edelbrock torker 2 intake or the edelbrock rpm also going to change to the 1.6 rockers for a bigger overall lift
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X2 on the 650 CFM carb! That carb size is perfect for a 355 and going bigger CFM will do nothing for power on your particular motor. Tuned properly, the 355 will run great with that 650 carb.

As for the intake, the Edelbrock performer is a good intake and switching to a Performer RPM will net you about 5-7 more HP over the Performer intake, 10 HP, if you are absolutely optimistic. Save your money and put the extra cash into 1 5/8-1 3/4 inch Long Tube headers and proper free flowing 2.5 inch dual exhaust.

The real power for your combo is in the cam lift and investing in 1.6 rockers is by far the biggest bang for the buck if you are looking for more HP. I would do the 1.6 rockers first, exhaust headers/pipes second and see how it goes from there.....

If you want to drop $1,500-2,000 ( I would not at your stage), invest in a howards roller retrofit cam (.525-.550 lift, duration 225 there abouts, LSA 110, operating range 1,500-5,800 RPM) with those heads and compression and your 355 would scream...... with good low end power, very strong mid range torque and very good high RPM HP.....

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Keeping your current cam and heads, I would switch to a RPM intake and a 750 vacuum secondary carb. Remember, with the dual plane the carb's CFM is effectively cut in half. That 650 would be plenty big on a single plane intake but with the dual plane you can go bigger, and with a vacuum secondary you almost can't over carb an engine. Take the time to properly tune the opening rate of the secondaries. Add the 1.6 rockers and a good ignition system and you should have a screamer.
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