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Old Apr 8, 2020 | 01:48 AM
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In advance, sorry for my bad english. I´m living in germany an drive an 82 Corvette CF. when the car is cold, the engine does not want to run properly. he shakes and it seems as if he is running on 6 cylinders with 500-600 u/min. after 2-3 minutes when the car Is warm (kick down the gaspanel with 2000-3000 u/min) I switch it off and on again (sometimes 2-3x) and then everything is normal. Does somebody has any idea ? the temperature sensor has already been replaced. could it be the o2 sensor on the cat? I´ve cleaned the IAC but they are not sooty.once the engine is warm I have no more problems, it starts without problems after 1-2 hours and keeps idling perfectly. (900 rpm on P and 6-700 rpm on D). the next day is the same game again

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Old Apr 8, 2020 | 06:29 AM
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Have you checked the computer for error codes?
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Old Apr 8, 2020 | 09:59 AM
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Have you checked the computer for error codes?
yes... but there is no check engine lamp when I bridge a and b. the check engine works because I have already seen it light up. funny
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Old Apr 8, 2020 | 10:11 AM
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Start with the basics, check to be sure the choke is working properly, then check the plugs, wires, distributor for condition and correct any deficiencies.
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yes... but there is no check engine lamp when I bridge a and b. the check engine works because I have already seen it light up. funny
OK, so first there is NO CHOKE on a CFI system since it is a throttle body and controlled by a computer, so don't concern yourself with that troubleshooting. It appears that you "MAY" have other issues. So, when you first tune the key to ON, the CEL light should come ON briefly ( a couple of seconds) and then go out. Does it do that? If it does, that's good. Shorting/jumping pins A and B should also light the CEL in test mode and it will start to flash. Are you sure you are jumping the correct pins, ie... When you remove the ash tray and looking down on the ALDL connector, pins A and B are on the bottom row of pins, first two pins left corner. If they are shorted/jumped and NO CEL, something is probably wrong with your ECM. also, Do you have an 1982 GM Service Manual? If not, GET ONE! I can not stress that enough. You can not maintain ANY CFI vehicle without one. There IS some good troubleshooting charts in there to help you greatly. Hope this helps.

P.S. Your idle is too high as well both in PARK and in DRIVE.

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Old Apr 9, 2020 | 01:54 AM
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many thanks for the help. I tried an original odb1 adapter but also bridged it. in both I hear a "clack" from the engine compartment, as it should be as soon as A and B are bridged. Unfortunately, the CEL does not light up. But I know 100% that it worked before. It does not light up even when the ignition is switched on. That was the case before, but I only now noticed that she no longer does it. I completely disconnected the battery once today and hope that the ECM will reset. Maybe then it will light up again. If not, I would take off the console in the next step and check the lamp, because this "clack" comes from the engine compartment when bridging. Because of the idle. Because of the idle was a misunderstanding. I have to accelerate manually so that at some point the car will be so warm that the mistake is gone. Normally the idle runs at P = 800-850 rpm and at D = ~ 650 rpm

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Although there is no choke......there is the rich parameter for cold start in open loop from the ECM......in the past I have narrowed it down to two things on TBI or CFI injected cars......Fuel Pressure and Dirty Injectors.
Let me just tell you that these injectors do not like to sit for extended periods of time......and if the fuel pressure is at say 8 or 9 psi.....the car will run but not well.
Having the CEL light out is a blow....but not the end of the world. Check your vacuum to the MAP also.....

Good luck sir,

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many thanks for the help. I tried an original odb1 adapter but also bridged it. in both I hear a "clack" from the engine compartment, as it should be as soon as A and B are bridged. Unfortunately, the CEL does not light up. But I know 100% that it worked before. It does not light up even when the ignition is switched on. That was the case before, but I only now noticed that she no longer does it. I completely disconnected the battery once today and hope that the ECM will reset. Maybe then it will light up again. If not, I would take off the console in the next step and check the lamp, because this "clack" comes from the engine compartment when bridging. Because of the idle. Because of the idle was a misunderstanding. I have to accelerate manually so that at some point the car will be so warm that the mistake is gone. Normally the idle runs at P = 800-850 rpm and at D = ~ 650 rpm
Jebby is correct about a "choke" parameter which is hard coded into the PROM on a cold and warm starts which takes the info from the CTS on what the ECM should do based on coolant temp. There is no "choke plate" like I think 73racervette might have been referring or alluding to. I would check the bulb for the CEL to see if it is ok, but if the CEL doesn't come on, you have issues that need to be addressed. You could also as Jebby suggested have a fuel issue, fix one problem at a time. I guess you don't have an 82 GM FSM, so here is some info for you right out of the manual. You may have other issues going on as well. Start with the CEL troubleshooting and go from there. Also, you do not have to physically disconnect the battery terminals. Just remove the fuse in the battery box for about 30 seconds or so. That fuse is the direct power to the ECM, 20amp. Hope this helps and you will have to zoom in on the sheets if you can not see them clearly.






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thank you for the great help. here is my feedback. the ecm is unfortunately defective. no voltage comes out of pin 20. such a crap. but your pictures were of great help ..
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If your going to keep the CFI here is a link for a upgraded ECM. http://www.dynamicefi.com/

Good luck finding a 5550 or 6026 ECM.
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thank you for the great help. here is my feedback. the ecm is unfortunately defective. no voltage comes out of pin 20. such a crap. but your pictures were of great help ..
If you are going to go with an ECM from Dynamic EFI, PM and I can hook you up with what is needed before going that route. Are you familiar with laptop tuning?
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unfortunately I am not familiar with programming. the dynamic is not plug and play as I read it?
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unfortunately I am not familiar with programming. the dynamic is not plug and play as I read it?
By itself it is not. But, I have the interface board that would get installed in the new ECM from Dynamic EFI. They install all my boards exclusively. You must be willing to do the laptop tuning if you go this route, no way around it. It isnt that hard, but it does require research and patience.
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