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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 06:25 PM
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Have a '77 with around 10.5 compression and a old starter / solenoid. Its been heat-soaked so many times and even with a starter blanket / shield, it gets hot from the headers.
So its time for anew.
Looking at reasonable priced starters, stock looking style. Not interested in mini starters or clocking units or rebuilt cheap crap at this time.
I don't need or want a $300 starter, unless Trump sends me another check.
So, looking at Bosch and looking at Power-Master. About $180.
Anybody using those two?

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If you insist on not upgrading to a proper starter, check with any Rebuilder in your town and get yours rebuilt. Or get a 50 Buck rebuilt from AutoZone. For the same approximate year Chevy truck with a 350 in it. It is a 3510 in rebuilder's terms.

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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 06:55 PM
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No rebuilders within 200 miles.
I see starters for less than $100. But its one of those parts that will leave you stranded with no way of repairing on the side of the road.
Looking for a new unit, medium price range with no bad reviews.
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more is always better ... break the bank.
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I have broken Powermasters with one good kick back. Split it right between the bolts. Bought a Tilton and never looked back.
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I have broken Powermasters with one good kick back. Split it right between the bolts. Bought a Tilton and never looked back.
Whoa! Ok, that's out.

Bosch has great tools, kitchen appliances. Wonder if they make good starters?
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Why not a mini starter? They are lighter and GM uses them on all the LS engines.
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Cost.
Will they clear headers ok? Mounting flange on some looked bulky.
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Originally Posted by HeadsU.P.
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Will they clear headers ok? Mounting flange on some looked bulky.
The mount is the same. The unit itself is smaller.
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CVR 5323. Only one I will use.....read the reviews.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cvs-5323

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Ok. I am going to stand by my mailbox now. Anticipating your check you send Big2Bird for a mini starter.

I bought a Eddy Air Gap two weeks ago on sale. Now I'm broke.

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Anybody remember the part number of the unit Wally Knock recommended? It wasn't that bad.
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CVR 5323. Only one I will use.....read the reviews.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cvs-5323

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Well, the price is right. A little concerned about the poster in Q. & A. that said the wiring harness will not reach that style of solenoid.
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I wouldn't have anything but a mini starter. Just no good reason to have one of those old boat anchors.
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Originally Posted by HeadsU.P.
Well, the price is right. A little concerned about the poster in Q. & A. that said the wiring harness will not reach that style of solenoid.
I doubt it would be an issue.

Your cheap choice is a new solenoid and 4 brushes for the old one. But unless you find a brown cap solenoid, the heat soak will continue.
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Originally Posted by HeadsU.P.
Well, the price is right. A little concerned about the poster in Q. & A. that said the wiring harness will not reach that style of solenoid.
I have installed it on 6 different Chevrolet's...82' full size 454 truck, three Corvette's (one 427, the 66' in the Avatar and my 72' 406) , 69 Chevelle, and an 89' K5 Blazer....with no issues......and not one shim on any of them.

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Originally Posted by Big2Bird
I doubt it would be an issue.

Your cheap choice is a new solenoid and 4 brushes for the old one. But unless you find a brown cap solenoid, the heat soak will continue.
Man...when I was young, working my first job at a local parts store (17 years old), we used to keep those ceramic style hi-heat solenoids under the counter in a box. Be damned if i can find one now, but I don't use the big starters on anything anymore anyway.....

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On the CVR 5323.

I used Summits advance search. Clicked on 10:1 comp ratio and that starter disappeared from the list.

I have 10.4 C.R. I know the cylinders bleed off some with cam overlap.
But those 6 vehicles you listed have high C.R too?
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Originally Posted by HeadsU.P.
On the CVR 5323.

I used Summits advance search. Clicked on 10:1 comp ratio and that starter disappeared from the list.

I have 10.4 C.R. I know the cylinders bleed off some with cam overlap.
But those 6 vehicles you listed have high C.R too?
My own 406 is 10.5 to 1....the 69' 427/400 was 10.5 to 1......the 66' L-79 was 10 to 1......Chevelle 468 was 10.25 to 1....K5 Blazer was a 355 Blueprint 385 Crate Engine...9.5 to 1 I think....the 461 in the 82' truck was 9 to 1.

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Ok. How about the wiring studs on the solenoid for the CVR.? Exact same location as stock or moved?
I do not have any extra wire length on my harness.
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