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Old Aug 19, 2020 | 05:24 PM
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I am looking at Holley’s Sniper EFI TBI set up and was wondering if I could use the factory inlet and return fuel lines with their in tank fuel pump on my ‘79? I would much rather use metal lines - instead of rubber lines most kits come with - without having to re-bend all new metal lines.
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Old Aug 19, 2020 | 05:46 PM
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You'll need to replace what little rubber line there is with Holley's VaporGuard line. The stock return fuel line is too small of a diameter, but you can get around this by using the fuel pump that doesn't require a return or by using Holley's filter/pressure regulator near the tank and doing a short return from that.

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Old Aug 19, 2020 | 05:57 PM
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I have FiTech EFI on both my Corvette and Camaro. The factory return line is too small.

On my C3 I replaced the factory fuel lines with 2x new pre-bent 3/8" stainless lines. I made connections at the tank and EFI with stainless braided PTFE lines.

On my Z28 I reused the factory supply line as a return line, making connections to the tank with stainless braided PTFE line. For supply I ran a new stainless braided PTFE line from tank to filter to efi.

Both have in tank fuel pumps.
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Old Aug 19, 2020 | 06:05 PM
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Thanks for the info! I would have thought the inlet line was the choking point not the return line. I didn’t realize that much fuel was being returned.
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Old Aug 19, 2020 | 06:11 PM
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I'm using 3/8 supply and return for the Sniper EFI on my '72 LeMans with a Pontiac 400 and it works great. Holley recommends a 3/8 supply line and 5/16 return. Corvettes have a 1/4" return line.
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Old Aug 20, 2020 | 01:56 PM
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I can't imagine that the stock 'delivery' line would be too small (same fuel rate use, if you didn't change or drastically upgrade your engine); but you might have to replace (or install) the return line with larger than stock size. You can use Cunifer (nickel copper) line for that purpose. It is still all metal, but much easier to form. It is more expensive than plain steel, but well worth the over-cost due to the easy of forming and assembly.
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Old Aug 21, 2020 | 11:12 AM
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Could you use another 3/8 metal fuel line as the return? It could be run along side the fuel line.
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Old Aug 21, 2020 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dagious
Could you use another 3/8 metal fuel line as the return? It could be run along side the fuel line.
Yes.....that would work, that is what Holley calls for.
But if you run their in tank module......you need no return line at all.....it self regulates at the pump.....

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Not sure it's a good idea to use 40 year old lines that were never designed to have any real pressure run through them. Feed line to pump had virtually no pressure in them. Return line pressure was very low. These lines rust from the inside out. You're going to be running around 50 psi on the feed and around 10 on the return. Not worth the risk to me, especially after the money investment you have in the system and extras. Like 7t1 said, the copper nickle lines are the way to go. Very easy to form, virtually rust proof and designed for brake systems so should be good to 1500 psi.
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i will be using my stock lines and the Holley in tank module. It pumps out at 58psi and returns right into the tank like Jebby says. If 58 psi is an issue, then you should replace your lines. If you have a sealed tank and it gets hot the pressure will probably get higher that that. I see plastic tank inflate and pop the cork a lot

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It's best practice to have a return line with the regulator close to your TBI.
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Originally Posted by Dagious
Could you use another 3/8 metal fuel line as the return? It could be run along side the fuel line.
Yeap, I bought two pre-bent stainless 3/8 supply lines for a C3 and ran them side by side.
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rescue Rogers
i will be using my stock lines and the Holley in tank module. It pumps out at 58psi and returns right into the tank like Jebby says. If 58 psi is an issue, then you should replace your lines. If you have a sealed tank and it gets hot the pressure will probably get higher that that. I see plastic tank inflate and pop the cork a lot
I'm considering the sniper set-up, but I want to be able to make it reversible if I wanted. I was thinking of using the in-tank set up that has the returnless line feature. Are you planning on running that with a relay for the pump etc.? If you've (or anyone) got photos that would be fantastic. wire routing etc...
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I'll be installing mine starting next week and Ill do a thread. I'll be using the in tank sender with the pump attached. I'll use Earls rubber fuel line from my sender to the steel fuel lines as Holley instructs with fuel injection rated clamps. At the engine compartment end Im cutting the flare off the line and using Earls clamp on conversion to and AN-6 line. Then run it through my fuel cooler and a 10 micron secondary filter before it goes through the pressure gauge to the front of the EFI. Out the back I will run the return line from the stock regulator as a back up. If the in tank regulator fails I'll have the stock return line as an emergency return. I have a AN-6 to 1/4 inch liine so I can use the stock return and Ill eventually have a new fuel pressure gauge in the cabin so I can monitor the pressure....Guess I still have a paranoia over fuel pumps failing. As for the intake Im using the RPM inake thats on there with a 1 inch spacer which should take care of any issues with the divider and the MAP sensor. If it gets wonky I make take an inch out of the divider or switch to a TM-1 tarantula I just scored off of EBAY

Ill be running the Holley supplied relay and fuse. As well as a MSD distributor locked out and controlled by the MSD box and the EFI

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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 08:04 PM
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I've run a few LS swapped cars with the stock steel lines. Just replace the rubber sections with fuel injection rated hose and good clamps. I even got fancy and installed flare nuts and flared out the ends of the stock steel line to hook them to AN braided hose, which went up to the rails.

I personally like using the Corvette style regulator mounted near the tank so I only need to run a feed up to the engine, and not a return.
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 08:23 PM
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Use the stock steel lines in their current size but convert to EFI rated (high pressure) hose between. EFI pumps go to 100 psi then the pressure regulator bleeds off some fuel to the return line. It's not a lot of fuel going back so 1/4" should be fine. It is with my big block Ford project and I converted that five years ago.
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Originally Posted by Tranz Zam
I personally like using the Corvette style regulator mounted near the tank so I only need to run a feed up to the engine, and not a return.
The problem with doing that is that the pressure loss varies with flow rate, so under heavy acceleration the injectors are seeing less pressure than they are designed for. F.A.S.T. recommends putting the regulator after the fuel rail.
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I think theres a whole new sender unit that fits the stock Corvette tank that has the sender, pump, and regulator/return etc. Just plug the feed line into the steel line (assuming good steel line and proper hose and clamps) and connect the gauge/ground wires. I also hear running a relay in line with wiring is recommended - though I don't know what that does.

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Originally Posted by Yadkin
The problem with doing that is that the pressure loss varies with flow rate, so under heavy acceleration the injectors are seeing less pressure than they are designed for. F.A.S.T. recommends putting the regulator after the fuel rail.
LS3's can do 600+hp with a single 3/8" feed line and no return. Size the line to the engine power and it'll be fine.
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by lionelhutz
LS3's can do 600+hp with a single 3/8" feed line and no return. Size the line to the engine power and it'll be fine.
Cool story bro, but that's a factory system and the ECU can adjust fuel pressure as required. The OP here is about a simple aftermarket setup.
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