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Old Aug 25, 2020 | 02:48 AM
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Hello everyone.

Chiming in with an issue I can't seem to wrap my head around:
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77 C3 L82. I recently had my carb rebuilt by Lars due to some sub-optimal performance issues (Quadrajet). Once I got the carb back from Lars, I installed it and the vette ran better than ever. I decided to then have my mechanic fix an intake manifold (oil) leak that I have been meaning to take care of. Got the vette back from him, and ever since then, I get a backfire / afterfire upon deceleration. Very loud booms / bangs coming from both of the side pipes once I let off the accelerator. I decided to try and diagnose the issue myself. Here is the list thus far:
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  • Timing. Mechanic confirmed that my timing is fine when I called him about the issue.
  • Vacuum leak: I went around and checked all of the vacuum hoses for leaks using smoke. I also checked carb / manifold seating with a can of carb cleaner. To the best of my ability, I couldn't find a single leak anywhere.
  • Fuel / Air mixture: I theorized that the mechanic must have accidentally or purposefully adjusted the F/A mixture on the carb during the manifold repair, therefore I used a vacuum gauge and reset the mixture. I also tried to richen it a bit, then lean it a bit though trial and error. No matter the F/A mixture, I still get backfire.
  • Carburetor: The carb was just rebuild by Lars, therefore I rule out any carburetor issues at this junction.
This takes me to the end of the road in regards to trouble shooting. I am flat out of ideas. Maybe the more knowledgeable folks on the board might have a better guess? Appreciate any responses or ideas!

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Old Aug 25, 2020 | 04:43 AM
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Afterfire or backfire?

If it's afterfire, my 80 started doing this when I accidentally hooked up the vacuum advance to ported vacuum. I bet the mechanic who told you timing was fine did this, too (since that's "correct"). This was REALLY loud through the side pipes. Hook it up to manifold vacuum, and see if that fixes it.

Better yet, email @lars for his timing instructions, and follow them. You can also follow his instructions to set the idle mixture valves. You'll need a vacuum gauge, a good timing light, and possibly a carb adjustment screwdriver, but you'll save thousands over taking it to a mechanic.

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Old Aug 25, 2020 | 05:03 PM
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Afterfire.

I tried hooking up the vacuum advance to manifold vacuum (it was hooked up to ported since I bought it). That maybe helped a little. I am still getting afterfire, on deceleration, particularly in lower RPMs per each gear (seems to be ok above 3500). The afterfire seems less loud than before, maybe less frequent but that's just my base assessment.

I received the timing docs from Lars. Going to dive into that soon and post back.

Thanks for your tip @Bikespace
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Old Aug 25, 2020 | 05:36 PM
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Double ck timing for sure, what is the vacuum reading at idle?
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Afterfire and backfire are usually caused by a lean condition - your "mechanic" has likely induced a vacuum leak. Timing will not induce the afterfire/backfire, unless it's off by a MASSIVE amount, which is possible since he did remove and re-install the distributor. Always check and correct timing before doing anything else. If you don't have them, e-mail me for my timing papers. You need to set up for 36 degrees total.

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Old Aug 25, 2020 | 06:57 PM
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@cv67 vacuum hovers around 14hg

@lars I did get your papers, and going to check the timing. I checked for vacuum leaks everywhere, couldn't come up with one unfortunately.
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Did you check manifold to cylinder heads for a vacuum leak?
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Old Aug 26, 2020 | 01:23 AM
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@MelWff Yes. Took carb cleaner all around the edge of the manifold, also carb to manifold. No leaks.
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Have you pulled a valve cover and checked to see if you have a LOOSE rocker arm... indicating a rounded cam lobe? Sounds like my 80 L48... it did exactly what you are describing. Rounded cam lobe.
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