Big cam vs. Vacuum





This does not sound like they farm-out to me.
And it only takes 1 person to grind a cam.. because my cam guy does it every day. But he keeps nothing on the. Shelf
Comp Cams is number one in sales and number one in respect for their products and the way they do business.
They didn't achieve that rating by hiring dummies.
Come on boy's its time to go out and get real.





Comp Cams is number one in sales and number one in respect for their products and the way they do business.
They didn't achieve that rating by hiring dummies.
Come on boy's its time to go out and get real.
Later on I ordered a custom billet solid roller with a sleeved on dizzy gear. I wait and wait and call and call and I heard every excuse like the tech failing to send over the order, the cam didn't pass lobes within tolerances,,,,,,,, Then then the cam finally arrives and it's nearly racing season. NOt a sleeved on gear, so they say it's a month out to make me what I ordered, but they would happily sell me at cost the brand new composite dizzy gear. Well another test subject failure of the new composite gear. I just shifted into 5th gear up around 145 mph and the motor went silent and the tach went to Zero. It was like the oddest thing that I every experienced driving. The composite gear shredded it's teeth. It took me a little bit on time to figure out why I didn't have any spark in the pits. Who would think that their dizzy isn't turning. Oh about calling the AH tech support at comp cams. They told me that they had corrected the brittle gear problem on some of the first ones manufactured and they would send me a new one along with my original sleeved cam order that finally got made when they receive my wrong cam and torn up gear.
I had to get a manager involved. What a hassle!
Last edited by gkull; Jun 16, 2021 at 10:49 AM.










Op, I feel your cam is way too short of a duration with good lift and way too wide of a lobe separation.
I would go with something in the 225-230 duration @ .050 and a lobe separation of 108* to 107* for a 383 with decent gearing and/or stall converter. Meaning 3.55 rear or higher and 2500 or higher stall preferably 3000 stall if a 3.55.
Your current selection is likely to produce too much cylinder pressure and promote detonation. In addition it will severely limit your upper range RPM and HP. I'm assuming 9.5 CR or better on this motor with aluminum heads and pump gas.
Look to see What DCR limits are for cast iron heads vs aluminum heads and calculate your DCR.
Use this calculator.
https://www.jeepstrokers.com/forum/calculator/
Nothing worse than the wrong cam for an application.
I use a 219/219 @ .050 roller cam with a 108 LSA .549" of lift on a 350 CI motor and produce 10.0" of vacuum @ 650-700 RPM in the worst conditions I experience and still have enough for brakes and headlights.
Last edited by REELAV8R; Jun 16, 2021 at 04:18 PM.
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Op, I feel your cam is way too short of a duration with good lift and way too wide of a lobe separation.
I would go with something in the 225-230 duration @ .050 and a lobe separation of 108* to 107* for a 383 with decent gearing and/or stall converter. Meaning 3.55 rear or higher and 2500 or higher stall preferably 3000 stall if a 3.55.
Your current selection is likely to produce too much cylinder pressure and promote detonation. In addition it will severely limit your upper range RPM and HP. I'm assuming 9.5 CR or better on this motor with aluminum heads and pump gas.
Look to see What DCR limits are for cast iron heads vs aluminum heads and calculate your DCR.
Use this calculator.
https://www.jeepstrokers.com/forum/calculator/
Nothing worse than the wrong cam for an application.
I use a 219/219 @ .050 roller cam with a 108 LSA .549" of lift on a 350 CI motor and produce 10.0" of vacuum @ 650-700 RPM in the worst conditions I experience and still have enough for brakes and headlights.
The cam you describe is close to what I have now and I'm trying to get a little more lift
Mine now is a roller
509/528
222/230@50
107LSA
Your cam sounds closer to what I'd like to get. Maybe a little bigger and change intake to match. I'm kind of limited on that with a stock low hood.
Comp says their XFI cams have good vacuum and my choice would be ok. I'm trying to make up with lift what I lose with the low intake. It was about 440hp with a tall single plane.
This is why I originaly asked the question
Last edited by 0311 jarhead; Jun 16, 2021 at 05:31 PM.
The cam you describe is close to what I have now and I'm trying to get a little more lift
Mine now is a roller
509/528
222/230@50
107LSA
Your cam sounds closer to what I'd like to get. Maybe a little bigger and change intake to match. I'm kind of limited on that with a stock low hood.
Comp says their XFI cams have good vacuum and my choice would be ok. I'm trying to make up with lift what I lose with the low intake. It was about 440hp with a tall single plane.
This is why I originaly asked the question
The cam you have should give you more power than 440.
Look for restrictions other places, like exhaust and intake. The flow of the heads may be sub par, limiting your power output. what kind of heads are they?
I get 440 HP out of my 350 motor. Using AFR 180's though. Good flowing heads with no restrictions on the intake or the exhaust side.





I was introduced to BSFC. while running motors on engine dynos.. Brake Specif Fuel Consumption. Basically how many pounds of fuel does it take to make one horse power.
I looked at 1000,s of graphs and the most efficient highest average power across the rpm range of any given motor was accomplished with wider LSA,
My 5 speed equipped vette 383 was good enough to go racing and probably about 100,000 road miles with refreshing.
236/242 112 with lower to mid .600 lift with AFR 210 heads. I can drive around in OD below 2000 rpm or drive it at the class limited speed of 175 mph at just over 6200 rpm in .64 OD. Depending on my rear tire diameter
Drag racing motors want a tight LSA , highest peak TQ over a smaller rpm, and don't give a hoot about BSFC Gas mileage 🙂
The cam you have should give you more power than 440.
Look for restrictions other places, like exhaust and intake. The flow of the heads may be sub par, limiting your power output. what kind of heads are they?
I get 440 HP out of my 350 motor. Using AFR 180's though. Good flowing heads with no restrictions on the intake or the exhaust side.
I use Howard's now for most things.....I really don't build any high end race stuff anymore and I don't want to....but when I do, BRC (Bullet) is the goto for custom cams.....
One thing about Howard's is that their advertising budget is very small.....where as Comp is a PRI and SEMA *****.....
I abandoned Comp over 10 years ago when their roller lifters started blowing apart and their answer to the problem was anything but being culpable about it.
I use only one product line from them...the Magnum FT cam line....30 year old grinds that break in and work.
Jebby
I have a 383, with automatic trans and 3.73 gears. My cam is a Crower hyd. roller 225/232 duration, .535/.550 lift, with 1.5 roller tip rockers. I have 112 LSA. This was custom ground for an extra $30 since Crower offers this cam with 108 LSA in their catalog. I didn't want any problem with headlights and brakes so I got the bigger LSA. My car has tremendous low end and mid range power, and good vacuum.
Last edited by BKbroiler; Jun 17, 2021 at 09:41 AM.
I was introduced to BSFC. while running motors on engine dynos.. Brake Specif Fuel Consumption. Basically how many pounds of fuel does it take to make one horse power.
I looked at 1000,s of graphs and the most efficient highest average power across the rpm range of any given motor was accomplished with wider LSA,
My 5 speed equipped vette 383 was good enough to go racing and probably about 100,000 road miles with refreshing.
236/242 112 with lower to mid .600 lift with AFR 210 heads. I can drive around in OD below 2000 rpm or drive it at the class limited speed of 175 mph at just over 6200 rpm in .64 OD. Depending on my rear tire diameter
Drag racing motors want a tight LSA , highest peak TQ over a smaller rpm, and don't give a hoot about BSFC Gas mileage 🙂
I like the slightly higher and peakier peak torques offered in the mid range by the narrow LSA with less duration vs the flatter power curve of the wider LSA with more duration.
As a side note I still get 18 MPG with a TH350 and 3.55 rear ratio @ 80 MPH turning 3700 RPM. Could a better efficiency be achieved? Probably, a little, with the current configuration, but 95% has been obtained and I like how it performs.
I get wheel spin in the 1st to 2nd shift. And I can rap it out to 6300 RPM (valve spring limit due to float and I'm using hydraulic retro rollers) and the power band has not flattened out yet. You can feel when a power curve starts to flatten out in an engine. I can feel it in any DD and even in my Camaro or Challenger.





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