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Old Sep 1, 2021 | 11:52 PM
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Got a question on Driveshaft differences.


This TH400 in the '73 is about to come out and the pre-70s M20 to take it's place. Instructions say a Driveshaft and Slip Yoke are needed. Why?
I'm assuming different numbers of splines between the two make the M20 Slip Yoke necessary.
But is a different shaft necessary due to different lengths? Is the TH400 Driveshaft and an M20 S.Y. incompatible?
Thanks for any insight on this folks.

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Old Sep 2, 2021 | 06:54 AM
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[QUOTE=Cavu2u;1603967600]Got a question on Driveshaft differences.


This TH400 in the '73 is about to come out and the pre-70s M20 to take it's place. Instructions say a Driveshaft and Slip Yoke are needed. Why?
I'm assuming different numbers of splines between the two make the M20 Slip Yoke necessary.
But is a different shaft necessary due to different lengths? Is the TH400 Driveshaft and an M20 S.Y. incompatible?
Thanks for any insight on this


This is really interesting. I reasoned just like you when I’ve did this swap so I reused the driveshaft that came with the th400. Bought a yoke that fitted my munche and put it together..
I got some small vibrations all over the rpm register but the thing is i got em even when in neutral and revving.
That makes me believe that my clutch not is 100% centered and that my driveshaft/yoke setup actually works.



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Originally Posted by Fredric Björnefält
This is really interesting. I reasoned just like you when I’ve did this swap so I reused the driveshaft that came with the th400. Bought a yoke that fitted my munche and put it together..
I got some small vibrations all over the rpm register but the thing is i got em even when in neutral and revving.
That makes me believe that my clutch not is 100% centered and that my driveshaft/yoke setup actually works.
Thanks Fredric!
The factory service manual has the same driveshaft part number for both manual and automatic transmissions, so I questioned the need for another one for the conversion.
Thanks much.

Steve
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Best idea is to do the swap and then check the driveshaft length. I don't remember what yoke fits which tranny anymore, but again you could easily check yours. My one recommendation would be - even if the DS works I would take it in & let a DS shop replace the U-joints with quality USA made parts and have them re-balance the whole unit.
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Originally Posted by ratflinger
Best idea is to do the swap and then check the driveshaft length. I don't remember what yoke fits which tranny anymore, but again you could easily check yours. My one recommendation would be - even if the DS works I would take it in & let a DS shop replace the U-joints with quality USA made parts and have them re-balance the whole unit.
That's a great Idea!
I replaced the rear half-shafts a few years ago (whew!) with Spicer products, but did nothing with the "Propeller" shaft. Will take the shaft in and have 'em balance it.
Thanks.

Steve
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In my swap of 71 th400 to Muncie, I actually had access to an original driveshaft of a OEM manual car and upon comparing the manual driveshaft to the auto, they were exactly the same length. The Autogear Muncie that I installed had a 32 spline output shaft which uses the same yoke as the th400. So I just reused my auto driveshaft that already had new u joints install recently. No issues so far
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Good info 71. Thanks. Nice to know all I've got to do is install a 27- spline yoke, U-joint, and balance. No need for a different Driveshaft.

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When I installed my Richmond 6-speed it uses a Turbo 400 output yoke and I mated it to the M-21 driveshaft yoke using the following conversion u-joint (I think you're doing the same thing by the opposite way??.... anyway, in case that's what it is). I installed a Richmond ROD with a TH400 32 spline slip yoke GM part number 3930827...and I mated it to my former M-21 driveshaft with the following conversion U-joint:

Spicer 5-134x or TRW 20056
Part numbers are from my records and 20+ years old but looks like they're good.....
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