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Old May 18, 2022 | 08:09 PM
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Anyone know what type of bell housing this is on my 1972 that a super t10 was swapped out with at some point? No markings that I can find. It has an 11" friction plate and a 168 tooth flywheel. The bell housing sits an inch or so lower than the oil pan and is the lowest point on the car.

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Old May 18, 2022 | 08:21 PM
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Looks like an aftermarket scatter shield of some kind to me. Make. Not sure?
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Curious to know if I need a special bellhousing because of the t10 transmission or does it use the same as a muncie? Would like to get rid of this and get something more factory.
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Originally Posted by sleepchamber
Curious to know if I need a special bellhousing because of the t10 transmission or does it use the same as a muncie? Would like to get rid of this and get something more factory.
A Super T-10 should bolt up to any 64-81 Corvette (or Chevrolet) bellhousing. What you need to determine is whether you have an 10 1/2" or 11" inch clutch and flywheel, and which starter you have.

The "621" (last three digits of the casting number) bellhousing is used with an 11" clutch and the 168 tooth flywheel. In 65-66 there was also a "444" bellhousing for the 11" clutch, that's identical to the 621, except for the casting number.

The other common bellhousing is the "403", which is used with the 10 1/2" clutch and the 153 tooth flywheel.

There are two bellhousing you can't use. One is the 1963 "421" bellhousing, and the other is the early Nova "383" bellhousing, While the 421 will work with the 10 1/2" clutch and the 153 tooth flywheel, it has a smaller center hole and will only work with 63 and earlier regular T-10's and 63 Muncies. The Nova 383 bellhousing places the clutch fork at eight o'clock, not at nine o'clock like on Corvettes and other Chevrolets.

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Originally Posted by gbvette62
A Super T-10 should bolt up to any 64-81 Corvette (or Chevrolet) bellhousing. What you need to determine is whether you have an 10 1/2" or 11" inch clutch and flywheel, and which starter you have.

The "621" (last three digits of the casting number) bellhousing is used with an 11" clutch and the 168 tooth flywheel. In 65-66 there was also a "444" bellhousing for the 11" clutch, that's identical to the 621, except for the casting number.

The other common bellhousing is the "403", which is used with the 10 1/2" clutch and the 153 tooth flywheel.

There are two bellhousing you can't use. One is the 1963 "421" bellhousing, and the other is the early Nova "383" bellhousing, While the 421 will work with the 10 1/2" clutch and the 153 tooth flywheel, it has a smaller center hole and will only work with 63 and earlier regular T-10's and 63 Muncies. The Nova 383 bellhousing places the clutch fork at eight o'clock, not at nine o'clock like on Corvettes and other Chevrolets.
You da man! That's what I needed to hear. Thanks gbvette!
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Agree with GBVett. My '72 has the 621 bellhousing with factory fine spline Muncie.

For curiosity, how many grooves does the input shaft have on your ST-10?
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Originally Posted by Dino_'72
Agree with GBVett. My '72 has the 621 bellhousing with factory fine spline Muncie.

For curiosity, how many grooves does the input shaft have on your ST-10?
26 splines on the shaft.
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you could cut an inch or so off the bottom and lose nothing but some of the used value of the bell housing. every other bell has an open bottom. not saying do it, but all options should always be considered.

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Originally Posted by sleepchamber
26 splines on the shaft.
I think I should have been more specific. The grooves or rings go around the input shaft. The number of rings will identify the 1st gear ratio of the tranny. There are many for a ST10.


A little hard to see in this pic, but there are grooves on these input shafts



Easier to see the grooves here on a 10 spline Muncie. None, one or two. No grooves is a M22, one groove a M21, and two grooves a M20
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i always thought 0. 1 or 2 was m20, m21, m22 in that order with number of grooves matching last number...
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Originally Posted by Dino_'72
I think I should have been more specific. The grooves or rings go around the input shaft. The number of rings will identify the 1st gear ratio of the tranny. There are many for a ST10.


A little hard to see in this pic, but there are grooves on these input shafts



Easier to see the grooves here on a 10 spline Muncie. None, one or two. No grooves is a M22, one groove a M21, and two grooves a M20
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Sorry, three grooves
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lakewood bellhousing
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Looks like the BH on my old '69 Z28, maybe that was a Lakewood also.
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I have a Lakewood in my 69. If I ever want to get rowdy, It is some extra insurance and peace of mind.

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Originally Posted by sleepchamber
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Sorry, three grooves
No problem. 3 groove, from info I have, would be a 2.64 first gear. So essentially very close to the M20 wide ratio Muncie. Regardless, the BW ST10 is very good tranny. Ratios for 3 groove from 1st to 4th: 2.64; 1.75; 1.34; 1.00.
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Thank y'all for the 411 again!
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Old May 23, 2022 | 05:56 PM
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A 2.64 first is great off the line and stop light traffic, even with a low 3 numerically rear.
My LT1 has the M20 with the 2.52 first and 3.55 rear end and it comes out of the hole really well with a BETTER effective first gear than a M21 3.70 gear car and the 3.55 results in a lower overall RPM at highway speeds in 4th gear.
Effective first is calculated by multiplying the rear ratio times the trans ratio.
2.52 x 3.55 = 8.946
2.20 x 3.70 = 8.14
2.64 x 3.55 = 9.372

Effective of 9+ is great on the street.
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