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Old Jul 21, 2023 | 06:43 AM
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Yesterday I was enjoying my almost fully rebuilt C3 (1979. L82). I came to rail crossing driving 20 over it. Car shaked like expected due to uneven road surface and mini bumps and humps. All of a sudden car started wobbling up and down like I had eggs instead of wheels. Panic caused me to slam the brakes and everything came back to normal. I tried again with same speed over the same stretch of road, nothing, tried burnout, nothing, tried violent braking nothing… it wasn’t bad suspension like feeling when car just swings up and down. It literally felt like one wheel became undone, like i had… well, again… eggs instead of wheels. Wheel nuts checked, new rear shocks installed, oil and additive changed in differential, new and rebuilt brakes, calipers and master cylinder done last weekend. No play in bearings or rear axles as far as I can tell.

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Old Jul 21, 2023 | 09:37 AM
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trailing arm bushings or shims? something hung up in tire that threw?
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Old Jul 21, 2023 | 09:50 AM
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In the jeep world we call it the death wobble. Driving along, hit a crack or pothole and violence starts. Jeep (old ones) has weak link items in the steering that wear (kingpins, drag link, pitman arm, steering box). Troubleshooting starts with checks of wheel balance, alignment, bearings, all steering links, arms, steering gear etc. Different parts with the Corvette but same idea.
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Old Jul 21, 2023 | 11:20 AM
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Check your tires. I had a dodge Nitro that had the same problem and it eventually went to 3 of the 4 tires. It seemed that the belts were separating inside the tire and air was getting in-between the belts. You could actually see it once the tire was off the car. Check that before you start tearing things up.
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Tires are brand new and alignment was done a month ago professionally with lasers and stuff. So death wobble you say… The only part of the car that hasn’t been rebuilt is steering system. I was thinking of doing the Borgeson upgrade. It seams it has just jumped on list of priorities.

I’d really like to understand the physics of it though. Beeing a biker all my life I get it on bikes but on cars… How the hell can that happen on a car?
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Old Jul 21, 2023 | 11:47 AM
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you should be able to feel if its front or back at least.
and right or left.
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Originally Posted by CubeBrick
Tires are brand new and alignment was done a month ago professionally with lasers and stuff. So death wobble you say… The only part of the car that hasn’t been rebuilt is steering system. I was thinking of doing the Borgeson upgrade. It seams it has just jumped on list of priorities.

I’d really like to understand the physics of it though. Beeing a biker all my life I get it on bikes but on cars… How the hell can that happen on a car?
It was/is prevalent on solid axle setups that had any kind of kingpin issues (Jeeps, Dodge Rams, etc). Less prevalent on squishy wishbone setups, but I think can still happen with worn components.
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Just saw couple of clips on yt and I can confirm it was definitely a death wobble. It’s nice to know how one self will act under stress. In any case my pitman arm joint is not the best and rag joint is I guess the same one that factory fitted. I’ll redo those as well.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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Originally Posted by CubeBrick
Just saw couple of clips on yt and I can confirm it was definitely a death wobble. It’s nice to know how one self will act under stress. In any case my pitman arm joint is not the best and rag joint is I guess the same one that factory fitted. I’ll redo those as well.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
It's like tank slap on a bike or ground resonance in a helicopter. The first time you feel it, it scares the hell out of you, and you can't easily (or want to) replicate it. React incorrectly, and it gets worse.
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Also check the rear cover ears, they snap under hard impacts like a pothole, it's worth a look to see if one is cracked.
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My first car, as a newly graduated, but broke-assed high schooler, was a 5 year old Chevy Corvair. It demonstrated the "egg walk" if I encountered any ripples in the road. Turned out to be a bad, lower front ball joint.
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