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Old Oct 25, 2023 | 05:15 PM
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I took my car to a HPDE in West Virgina. When I got home my new Michelin PS2, size 335X35/17 in the rear was leaking.

I asked a friend which is safer, patch or plug. He replied:

You can plug it safely off the rim with a plug that has a backing.

I was confused. I worked at a gas station and repaired may tires. So I asked he to specify. He replied:

You want plugs that are inserted from the inside not outside. The tire has to come off the rim, takes about 45 mins to cure before remounting.

Never heard of this. Anyone know what the process is for this? Plug inserted from the inside with the rim off?
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Old Oct 25, 2023 | 05:21 PM
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It's a plug where what you'd think of as a patch is attached to the plug. You pull it through from the inside and the patch glues down over it. Same concept as installing a plug from the outside and installing a separate patch on the inside to cover it after cutting it off flush on the inside.

The plug seals the tread area from wicking moisture into the belt package and rusting it. The patch actually seals the air chamber. The two combined do a good job that won't cause issues if done correctly.

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It's a plug where what you'd think of as a patch is attached to the plug. You pull it through from the inside and the patch glues down over it. Same concept as installing a plug from the outside and installing a separate patch on the inside to cover it after cutting it off flush on the inside.

The plug seals the tread area from wicking moisture into the belt package and rusting it. The patch actually seals the air chamber. The two combined do a good job that won't cause issues if done correctly.

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Damn, I must be dense. Anyone have a pic or a youtube?
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Did you buy your tires from somewhere (like Costco) that will repair them for free?

Is it a hole or a tear? I've plugged tires myself and have gotten thousands more miles out of them, but that was for things like nails, where it was obvious where the problem was, and it was a tiny hole.

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For a visual. You prep and patch the tire from the inside, but pull the long part thru the hole. This not only plugs the air chamber, but also the hole, to prevent steel belt rust.
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Old Oct 25, 2023 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by vbgod1

For a visual. You prep and patch the tire from the inside, but pull the long part thru the hole. This not only plugs the air chamber, but also the hole, to prevent steel belt rust.
I think or I hope THIS picture clears up any procedural doubts you had.
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Yes it does. Thanks all.
I'll know know what to ask for.
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This is the ONLY repair that is legal in Australia. The only way we repair motorcycle tires.
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This thread jogged a memory for me. Anyone else remember back in the 70’s, patching tubes with “monkey grip” “vulcanizing” patches where you lit the patch on fire and it sorta melted onto the inside?
Kept our Schwinn Stingrays rollin when we couldn’t afford new tubes.
Good times.
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Originally Posted by vbgod1

For a visual. You prep and patch the tire from the inside, but pull the long part thru the hole. This not only plugs the air chamber, but also the hole, to prevent steel belt rust.
When I first started out at a chrysler dealer this was one of the main things I did. It sucks. The worst part is many tires have a texture on the inside, so you have to sand it away around the hole to get a smooth surface for the patch to stick. Rubber dust gets everywhere. One of my least favorite parts of the job. Coworkers would disappear when one of these came up on the schedule.

Ive always wondered why the tire would be textured on the inside



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Back in the day we would only patch a tire with plug and a patch from the inside.
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One last question.....
So when you go for service, what do you ask for? An inside the tire patch? A mushroom patch?
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Originally Posted by cottoneg
One last question.....
So when you go for service, what do you ask for? An inside the tire patch? A mushroom patch?
Make sure you go to a reputable tire shop. A shop assumes some liability when they perform a tire repair so they need to do it correctly. That said, if you take it to a “do it all” repair shop, they will likely be less proficient than a tire shop that does these repairs all the time. Ask them to explain their process. You should be able, with the information supplied in this post, to determine if they will be repairing it correctly.
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We call them patch plugs. They are the only repair my dealership uses and can only be used when the
leak is on the tread, not the sidewall. Here's a link, hope this helps.

RMA_TireProc_2p_5 (ustires.org)

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Times two on the tire shop. Not a car dealer. We would never repair a tire with a hole in the side wall.
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 05:31 PM
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This post has been a great help to me. Thank you for all that replied!
For the future, I wanted to purchase some of these plugs. I have learned NOT to trust Amazon reviews. For those with more experience than me, if time allows, could you look at the links below and see if one strikes you as superior.

https://www.amazon.com/Combination-Repair-Compaction-Scraper-Vehicle/dp/B09S3498S6/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 https://www.amazon.com/Combination-Repair-Compaction-Scraper-Vehicle/dp/B09S3498S6/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8


https://www.amazon.com/ZERINT-TP-M13W-Combination-Repair-Wrapped/dp/B08LPQV2DR/ref=pd_sbs_sccl_2_1/138-9309022-6385618?pd_rd_w=FDChj&content-id=amzn1.sym.9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_p=9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_r=N1AVSZKMN7XTAK9G1A5H&pd_rd_wg=6w3Xe&pd_rd_r=b4a03e7e-8c5b-4166-b533-ee7695304d2a&pd_rd_i=B08LPQV2DR&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/ZERINT-TP-M13W-Combination-Repair-Wrapped/dp/B08LPQV2DR/ref=pd_sbs_sccl_2_1/138-9309022-6385618?pd_rd_w=FDChj&content-id=amzn1.sym.9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_p=9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_r=N1AVSZKMN7XTAK9G1A5H&pd_rd_wg=6w3Xe&pd_rd_r=b4a03e7e-8c5b-4166-b533-ee7695304d2a&pd_rd_i=B08LPQV2DR&th=1



https://www.amazon.com/ZERINT-TP-M11D-Combination-Repair-Dipped/dp/B08LPR7N5H/ref=psdc_15709141_t4_B08LPQV2DR?th=1 https://www.amazon.com/ZERINT-TP-M11D-Combination-Repair-Dipped/dp/B08LPR7N5H/ref=psdc_15709141_t4_B08LPQV2DR?th=1

https://www.amazon.com/Patches-Patch-Roller-Repair-Motorcycle/dp/B09RZJTYF7/ref=pd_sbs_sccl_2_2/138-9309022-6385618?pd_rd_w=FDChj&content-id=amzn1.sym.9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_p=9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_r=N1AVSZKMN7XTAK9G1A5H&pd_rd_wg=6w3Xe&pd_rd_r=b4a03e7e-8c5b-4166-b533-ee7695304d2a&pd_rd_i=B09RZJTYF7&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/Patches-Patch-Roller-Repair-Motorcycle/dp/B09RZJTYF7/ref=pd_sbs_sccl_2_2/138-9309022-6385618?pd_rd_w=FDChj&content-id=amzn1.sym.9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_p=9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_r=N1AVSZKMN7XTAK9G1A5H&pd_rd_wg=6w3Xe&pd_rd_r=b4a03e7e-8c5b-4166-b533-ee7695304d2a&pd_rd_i=B09RZJTYF7&psc=1

Let me know your thoughts.

For cement, I guess this should work:

https://www.amazon.com/Tire-Repair-Cement-Flammable-Oz/dp/B002PMRDTM/ref=pd_sbs_sccl_2_3/138-9309022-6385618?pd_rd_w=SXZRX&content-id=amzn1.sym.9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_p=9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_r=0QS2G1Z0ZVZG1EEJ8D7M&pd_rd_wg=YjZiY&pd_rd_r=2b551b79-d669-4d16-a17c-10a57b11d375&pd_rd_i=B002PMRDTM&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/Tire-Repair-Cement-Flammable-Oz/dp/B002PMRDTM/ref=pd_sbs_sccl_2_3/138-9309022-6385618?pd_rd_w=SXZRX&content-id=amzn1.sym.9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_p=9e4bb0e3-6517-4128-9279-264b7296d379&pf_rd_r=0QS2G1Z0ZVZG1EEJ8D7M&pd_rd_wg=YjZiY&pd_rd_r=2b551b79-d669-4d16-a17c-10a57b11d375&pd_rd_i=B002PMRDTM&psc=1



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The typical plug from the outside type of plug-patch I have seen it leak air into the tire plies and cause egg sized bubbles in the tire tread. Not good.

The T-shaped style do not alter the speed rating of the tire, they are that good.
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I received a personal message that said not to get it from Amazon. Get it from NAPA.
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Originally Posted by leigh1322
The typical plug from the outside type of plug-patch I have seen it leak air into the tire plies and cause egg sized bubbles in the tire tread. Not good.
I’ve never seen that with any of my push in plugs, but now that you say it, I’ll be on the lookout!
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