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Old Apr 19, 2024 | 10:42 AM
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Hi, I have had this car for about 5 years now and newer driven it a mile. What should have been an easy fix to get it approved by local authorities has evolved into a full restoration.

When I started working on the car I found that the body mount spacers where "vaporized" and the bolts so thin by rust, that the body was hardly attached to the frame. More over a lot of bolt and nuts where not tightened to spec, a lot of them could even be removed by hand. So I didn't want to take any risks and have split the car into atoms.

Now after 5 years most parts are rebuild and I am almost ready to start putting things together again. The frame are still stripped and ready to paint only thing missing are some small repairs on the frame itself - And now to the question (I will probably get back with more during the rebuild):

My power steering was toast, so I am putting in a Borgeson with the Ride tech frame enforcement bracket. I am going to weld on the frame anyway, so should I weld some reinforcement to the frame itself on the inside against the power steering to mitigate the extra stress put on the frame or will I just introduce stress around the reinforcement instead?

I don't think it would be a problem to offset the Borgeson a couple of mm, but again you never know.


So any advice, comments, own experience are welcome


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Anders
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Old Apr 19, 2024 | 03:24 PM
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I added gussets to the lower A Arms and pass engine mount.The Borg .brace itself is all thats needed,no welding necessary

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Thanks, I think I will look into doing something similar to yours. Mine had small cracks at the top of the A arm bracket, so I just welded them, but this seems like a good idea.

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Old Apr 20, 2024 | 02:15 PM
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Make sure you install your new box with the factory bolts and not the ones supplied by Borgeson. Especially if you have wider tires. I see no need to weld the brace on.
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Thanks, I have seen post regarding the bolt heads and tire clearance and is planning to use the old bolts just in case.

I wasn't planning on welding the bracket itself, I was thinking about welding some reinforcement on the frame on the side facing the Borgeson.

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Old Apr 20, 2024 | 11:14 PM
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Borgeson sells a support brace for Vette's...but I'll say I've had their steering on my car for years without a brace and no issues.


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There is a large round hole in the frame you can weld shut, right by the box. It is only needed for bolt access to the oem bracket for the steering ram.

Otherwise it is the exact same forces exerted on the frame as before, just not exterted by the ram which is by the weak hole. Those brackets have torn off many times.

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Originally Posted by 427Hotrod
Borgeson sells a support brace for Vette's...but I'll say I've had their steering on my car for years without a brace and no issues.


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Same here. I really didn't think about the brace when I got my Borgeson install 5 years ago, but so far no issues without one on my '69.
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Originally Posted by leigh1322
There is a large round hole in the frame you can weld shut, right by the box. It is only needed for bolt access to the oem bracket for the steering ram.

Otherwise it is the exact same forces exerted on the frame as before, just not exterted by the ram which is by the weak hole. Those brackets have torn off many times.
is it the same forces though? It was my understanding the old power steering control valve/cylinder was doing a lot of the heavy pushing and pulling and with a borgeson all of that force is now on the steering box itself. Am I understanding this wrong?

Edit I see here you agree with what I was thinking so yeah my understanding is the borgeson has more stress on it than the OG box.
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I have heard several people say the Borgeson is higher from the frame, and that is what causes it to flex.
It is not higher on the frame, it is exactly the same location, because it lines up with the steering shaft.

HOWEVER the boost pressure on a Borgeson is applied at the box.
The boost pressure on the OEM system is applied at the Ram.
Two completely different locations.

On the OEM system some pressure is applied at the manual box, and some from the ram, so the applied pressure is split between some above the frame, and some below.
Hence much less frame twisting with the OEM system, and much more with the Borgeson.
Use the brace.

The OEM system tends to crack the frame where the ram bracket attaches. There is a very thin section of metal between that bracket and it's bolt access hole only about an inch away. That's just a weak spot.

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