Jay Leno law
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Melting Slicks
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Jay Leno law
Well it's changed again as it goes thru the stinkin CA. legislature. If it eventually passes as is it will help out some C3 owners in Kalifornia. Now it would, as of 2027 exempt from 1976 to 1980, then a rolling exemption each year up to 1985 where it would stop. And you would still need collector insurance and historic plates, not a daily driver. CARB needs to be abolished!!!
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From: Loud, Raw and Dangerous 1968 327 4S in Southern California
I would like to point out that there is a valid reason for having tougher smog rules here in California. The prevailing winds are usually on shore off of the Pacific Ocean moving from West to East and there are also long high mountain ranges going North to South located inland in most all of the state. Couple that with a very high density of cars and this situation traps the smog in what is called an inversion layer up against the mountains. It collects and creates a very unhealthy atmosphere along the coast and in the valleys.
When I was a kid growing up in Southern California in the 1960’s, I remember days when the smog was so bad that you couldn’t go outside and play. The sky was hazy and brown with pollution and if you dared take a deep breath your chest really hurt and you would start coughing.
We’re not commies…we just like to breathe.
When I was a kid growing up in Southern California in the 1960’s, I remember days when the smog was so bad that you couldn’t go outside and play. The sky was hazy and brown with pollution and if you dared take a deep breath your chest really hurt and you would start coughing.
We’re not commies…we just like to breathe.
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I escaped 30+ plus years ago. If it wasn't for the cars, food , lack of clothes(at the beaches) nice weather I would not have stayed for 14 years.
Drifting
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I would like to point out that there is a valid reason for having tougher smog rules here in California. The prevailing winds are usually on shore off of the Pacific Ocean moving from West to East and there are also long high mountain ranges going North to South located inland in most all of the state. Couple that with a very high density of cars and this situation traps the smog in what is called an inversion layer up against the mountains. It collects and creates a very unhealthy atmosphere along the coast and in the valleys.
When I was a kid growing up in Southern California in the 1960’s, I remember days when the smog was so bad that you couldn’t go outside and play. The sky was hazy and brown with pollution and if you dared take a deep breath your chest really hurt and you would start coughing.
We’re not commies…we just like to breathe.
When I was a kid growing up in Southern California in the 1960’s, I remember days when the smog was so bad that you couldn’t go outside and play. The sky was hazy and brown with pollution and if you dared take a deep breath your chest really hurt and you would start coughing.
We’re not commies…we just like to breathe.
You realize the entire rest of the world does not focus anywhere near as much on NOx emissions. You know why the U.S. does? Because the EPA has never had an original thought. They just copy CARB, and what concerns CARB? L.A. So, L.A.'s problem becomes America's problem. Thanks.
We'd have to look at the math, but how many fifty year-old, probably immaculately restored and maintained vehicles, driven for a few hours on weekends, do we think there are still on the road to contribute to L.A.'s smog problem? I'm just gonna spitball here and say it's a micro percentage.
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Understandable. But I still have a beef with the EPA for their inability to separate the national regulations from California's one-city issue.
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I would like to point out that there is a valid reason for having tougher smog rules here in California. The prevailing winds are usually on shore off of the Pacific Ocean moving from West to East and there are also long high mountain ranges going North to South located inland in most all of the state. Couple that with a very high density of cars and this situation traps the smog in what is called an inversion layer up against the mountains. It collects and creates a very unhealthy atmosphere along the coast and in the valleys.
When I was a kid growing up in Southern California in the 1960’s, I remember days when the smog was so bad that you couldn’t go outside and play. The sky was hazy and brown with pollution and if you dared take a deep breath your chest really hurt and you would start coughing.
We’re not commies…we just like to breathe.
When I was a kid growing up in Southern California in the 1960’s, I remember days when the smog was so bad that you couldn’t go outside and play. The sky was hazy and brown with pollution and if you dared take a deep breath your chest really hurt and you would start coughing.
We’re not commies…we just like to breathe.
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From: Loud, Raw and Dangerous 1968 327 4S in Southern California
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And let's not forget Prop 65, whose warnings are everywhere. Literally. What good is a warning that is so over used. I couldn't get a pair of new shoes from LL Bean recently because CA didn't like the way the inner leather sole of the shoe was treated. Or maybe it wasn't treated. Difficult to follow their reasoning. I had to call LL Bean to get some understanding of why they wouldn't sell them to me.
Paint for your car? Another sore subject.
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California has stricter laws so the can generate more money so the state can waste it in many "creative" ways..when you were a kid entire sections of L A didn't have people living in tents with urine and feces covering the sidewalk and hypodermic needles given out by the state.
Carb is done for thank goodness they cost people in other states tremendous sums of money. Because manufacturers build cars and parts to the standards of a state that wouldn't allow fire trucks from Washington and Oregon into the state when your beloved L A was burning down...people can't rebuild their homes without environmental impact studies.we should finish the wall to keep everyone in California to fix their own problems.
Carb is done for thank goodness they cost people in other states tremendous sums of money. Because manufacturers build cars and parts to the standards of a state that wouldn't allow fire trucks from Washington and Oregon into the state when your beloved L A was burning down...people can't rebuild their homes without environmental impact studies.we should finish the wall to keep everyone in California to fix their own problems.
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In my experience, CARB will stop at nothing, without accountability, to limit or take something off the market if it's volatile. Denatured alcohol for instance. Very hard to get. Why? Who knows what the science is and what's so bad in the hands of the average consumer? They just don't like it.
And let's not forget Prop 95, whose warnings are everywhere. Literally. What good is a warning that is so over used. I couldn't get a pair of new shoes from LL Bean recently because CA didn't like the way the inner leather sole of the shoe was treated. Or maybe it wasn't treated. Difficult to follow their reasoning. I had to call LL Bean to get some understanding of why they wouldn't sell them to me.
Paint for your car? Another sore subject.
And let's not forget Prop 95, whose warnings are everywhere. Literally. What good is a warning that is so over used. I couldn't get a pair of new shoes from LL Bean recently because CA didn't like the way the inner leather sole of the shoe was treated. Or maybe it wasn't treated. Difficult to follow their reasoning. I had to call LL Bean to get some understanding of why they wouldn't sell them to me.
Paint for your car? Another sore subject.
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/or...-from-la-smog/
Please, let's all do better to be skeptical of "facts", especially when they don't seem to make sense. (Way off topic, but the McDonald's coffee story is a prime example of the untold true facts of the case, but it's easier to be outraged than informed.)
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Too bad they built L.A. in a basin.
You realize the entire rest of the world does not focus anywhere near as much on NOx emissions. You know why the U.S. does? Because the EPA has never had an original thought. They just copy CARB, and what concerns CARB? L.A. So, L.A.'s problem becomes America's problem. Thanks.
We'd have to look at the math, but how many fifty year-old, probably immaculately restored and maintained vehicles, driven for a few hours on weekends, do we think there are still on the road to contribute to L.A.'s smog problem? I'm just gonna spitball here and say it's a micro percentage.
You realize the entire rest of the world does not focus anywhere near as much on NOx emissions. You know why the U.S. does? Because the EPA has never had an original thought. They just copy CARB, and what concerns CARB? L.A. So, L.A.'s problem becomes America's problem. Thanks.
We'd have to look at the math, but how many fifty year-old, probably immaculately restored and maintained vehicles, driven for a few hours on weekends, do we think there are still on the road to contribute to L.A.'s smog problem? I'm just gonna spitball here and say it's a micro percentage.
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This was completely false, put out on X/Twitter, and spread on social media. The only checks that trucks from Oregon went through were for regular safety checks in Sacramento where they stayed the night on their way south. There are news photos showing fire trucks from a number of neighboring states in the fire zones.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/or...-from-la-smog/
Please, let's all do better to be skeptical of "facts", especially when they don't seem to make sense. (Way off topic, but the McDonald's coffee story is a prime example of the untold true facts of the case, but it's easier to be outraged than informed.)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/or...-from-la-smog/
Please, let's all do better to be skeptical of "facts", especially when they don't seem to make sense. (Way off topic, but the McDonald's coffee story is a prime example of the untold true facts of the case, but it's easier to be outraged than informed.)
Oh and now they want to build low income housing to replace homes lost by people actually paying taxes. How far in debt is California or is that a conspiracy theory too? Your bailouts from other states are coming to an end.
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Only fire trucks built to carb standards were allowed to pass Fact not conspiracy theory. And yes their stupid standards have impacted all of us.
Oh and now they want to build low income housing to replace homes lost by people actually paying taxes. How far in debt is California or is that a conspiracy theory too? Your bailouts from other states are coming to an end.
Oh and now they want to build low income housing to replace homes lost by people actually paying taxes. How far in debt is California or is that a conspiracy theory too? Your bailouts from other states are coming to an end.
BTW, California is the top donor state sending $83-billion more federal tax dollars to D.C. than it receives back. The US would be severely negatively impacted without California's GDP - in 2024, it was the 4th largest economy in the entire world - not among US states but globally! It is only smaller than the US as a whole, China, and Germany. Of the US GDP, California makes up 14% of the total. Florida is about 15th on the world GDP chart, roughly equivalent to Spain, and makes up not quite 6% of the US GDP.
This has strayed far off topic, but facts are facts and fiction is fiction. I'm out.
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stop spreading nonsense
Only fire trucks built to carb standards were allowed to pass Fact not conspiracy theory. And yes their stupid standards have impacted all of us.
Oh and now they want to build low income housing to replace homes lost by people actually paying taxes. How far in debt is California or is that a conspiracy theory too? Your bailouts from other states are coming to an end.
Oh and now they want to build low income housing to replace homes lost by people actually paying taxes. How far in debt is California or is that a conspiracy theory too? Your bailouts from other states are coming to an end.