Fuel Cell in a C-3
Melting Slicks
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From: Tucson AZ
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (patsnitrovette)
Patsnitrovette.,
I never suggested to weld the fittings to the stock tank. An earlier post asked why they were used. The AN fittings was the reason given. I just commented that they were for safety and the fittings were an added bonus. I agree that in your case, while safety is not an issue, the fuel injection and need for a new tank make a fuel cell a smart move.
I never suggested to weld the fittings to the stock tank. An earlier post asked why they were used. The AN fittings was the reason given. I just commented that they were for safety and the fittings were an added bonus. I agree that in your case, while safety is not an issue, the fuel injection and need for a new tank make a fuel cell a smart move.
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From: absecon nj
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (redvetracr)
patsnitrovette,
If you go back up and read the second post (your post) it looks like you need some help finding a cell and a way to mount it. Confusing coming from for someone who "built" and "setup" asphalt modifieds.
...redvetracr
PS: If all you want is to be able to use "AN" fittings why don`t you use bulkhead adapters and some fittings with rubber hose in a stock tank??
If you go back up and read the second post (your post) it looks like you need some help finding a cell and a way to mount it. Confusing coming from for someone who "built" and "setup" asphalt modifieds.
...redvetracr
PS: If all you want is to be able to use "AN" fittings why don`t you use bulkhead adapters and some fittings with rubber hose in a stock tank??
ive asked this question before,i want to switch also but keep the cap in the same place.
and where in this reply do you see me asking where i can get one and a way to mount it?
robert relax i wasnt jumping on you. :cheers: its cool
[Modified by patsnitrovette, 3:59 PM 10/1/2003]
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Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (patsnitrovette)
pats,
Have you considered the ATL or Fuel Safe web site?? All sizes are listed.
...redvetracr
PS: what type of fuel lines do you think are laying in the bottom of a "fuel cell" ?? rubber
Have you considered the ATL or Fuel Safe web site?? All sizes are listed.
...redvetracr
PS: what type of fuel lines do you think are laying in the bottom of a "fuel cell" ?? rubber
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From: Calif.
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (MikeC)
I want a link or proof of it being a structural member :bs Until you do.
I think any force that it would absorb in and impact would be minimal, the 3 mounting points would shear almost immediately causing it to go in any direction possible.
I think any force that it would absorb in and impact would be minimal, the 3 mounting points would shear almost immediately causing it to go in any direction possible.
[Modified by The Dude, 1:20 PM 10/1/2003]
Melting Slicks
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From: Tucson AZ
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (redvetracr)
pats,
Have you considered the ATL or Fuel Safe web site?? All sizes are listed.
...redvetracr
PS: what type of fuel lines do you think are laying in the bottom of a "fuel cell" ?? rubber
Have you considered the ATL or Fuel Safe web site?? All sizes are listed.
...redvetracr
PS: what type of fuel lines do you think are laying in the bottom of a "fuel cell" ?? rubber
Abby Normal
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From: Press "2" for English
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (71roadster)
I'd be happy to find some way to put a bunch of fuel cell foam in the stock tank just to keep fuel from sloshing around. If anyone comes across this, let us know.
Chris
Chris
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From: Manchester, Dead Center in the Middle of TN 25 miles to Jack Daniels,10 miles to Geo Dickle, and .8 mile from the Liquor Store at I-24 Exit 114
St. Jude Donor '05
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (clutchdust)
Her is a couple of shots of an old racer that had the fuel cell moved down to the spare tire area. I wanted to do this to lower the center of gravity as well as the other benefits.
As far as the structural integrity of the spare tire being there, That was lawyer talk from GM. They were just hoping it would help or at least sound good. How many other BS warnings did the General and other car companies place on cars to satisfy the lawyers? Jim :iagree:
[Modified by PROSOUTH, 5:42 PM 10/1/2003]
Drifting
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From: Shore NJ
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (PROSOUTH)
Just curious, a fuel cell would definitely be safer than the stock tank, is there any weight savings by replacing the stock tank with a plastic tank :confused: I dont think straping the tank down would be a problem just hooking it up and having the existing rear fill door used to look stock... :flag
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Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (stinky)
Deen for a drag race vehicle I would install a small 2-3 gallon cell in front of the radiator. That way they drive to the track on premium unleaded and the small tank is filled with methanol or 115 octane race gas.
The small tank only supplies high octane fuel being injected at the same time the spray comes on. That way they don't have to run big timing retard curcuits with big doses of N2O.
[Modified by gkull, 8:42 AM 10/2/2003]
The small tank only supplies high octane fuel being injected at the same time the spray comes on. That way they don't have to run big timing retard curcuits with big doses of N2O.
[Modified by gkull, 8:42 AM 10/2/2003]
Racer
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From: Gananoque Ontario
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (gkull)
Here's a thread of Zwede's fuel tank that he had built. I'm not sure if it qualifies as a "fuel cell" but it could easily be moddified to meet the requirements. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=450383
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From: B'Ville NY
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St. Jude Donor '05
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (Kenzy)
This is what I have in mind. It's an aluminum tank that is baffled with aluminum plates inside to control the fuel and ease the EFI conversion ;) .
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From: B'Ville NY
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St. Jude Donor '05
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (SmokedTires)
Pat here is an interesting site that may be a great idea for us and allow us to keep our stock tanks ;) .
http://www.geocities.com/hrayhouston/antisurgetank.html
http://www.geocities.com/hrayhouston/antisurgetank.html
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From: Prineville Oregon
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (gkull)
Wow!!! I was expecting maybe 1-2 replies but it looks like this could be a major thread.
George, (gkull) the rule book states the full tank has to be "outside of the drivers compartment" and "isolated from the drivers compartment by a firewall, completely sealed to prevent any fuel from entering the drivers compartment" also "all fuel cells must have a pressure cap and be vented outside the body".
I already have a 1-gallon fuel cell under the hood (for nitrous) but that is not large enough since I'm thinking of switching to alcohol for max power. This car is getting to the point of being strictly drag-strip use so I only need a 5 gallon fuel cell...which also saves weight from having to carry 16 gallons of fuel (at 8 lbs. gallon = 128 lbs...that's worth another tenth in the quarter).
To the others: I'm assuming alcohol would eat up the rubber bladder in our OEM tanks in no-time at all. BTW, alcohol in a racing engine gives an approx. increase of 7% power. A 600 HP small block on gas could make roughly 640 HP on alcohol. :yesnod:
George, (gkull) the rule book states the full tank has to be "outside of the drivers compartment" and "isolated from the drivers compartment by a firewall, completely sealed to prevent any fuel from entering the drivers compartment" also "all fuel cells must have a pressure cap and be vented outside the body".
I already have a 1-gallon fuel cell under the hood (for nitrous) but that is not large enough since I'm thinking of switching to alcohol for max power. This car is getting to the point of being strictly drag-strip use so I only need a 5 gallon fuel cell...which also saves weight from having to carry 16 gallons of fuel (at 8 lbs. gallon = 128 lbs...that's worth another tenth in the quarter).
To the others: I'm assuming alcohol would eat up the rubber bladder in our OEM tanks in no-time at all. BTW, alcohol in a racing engine gives an approx. increase of 7% power. A 600 HP small block on gas could make roughly 640 HP on alcohol. :yesnod:
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From: Mechanicsville VA
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (Ganey)
Hey- I've asked this question before & recieved zero response- my 78 tank is "seeping" fuel- not big enough to leak, but bad enough to make a mess. While I have the body off the frame, is there a source for new bladders? I have not even seen a replacement tank in anyone's catalogs, much less the bladder.
Help?
Help?
Burning Brakes
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Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3
I'm planning on using a fuel cell in my '69. I was wondering how well the top coupling for the pickup works with fuel injection and if there are any steps, special considerations or things to look for during selection of the cell to ensure good flow with a high pressure fuel injection system.
Thanks,
Ryan
Thanks,
Ryan
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From: NorCal
Re: Fuel Cell in a C-3 (reidry)
I also am considering a different tank/fuel cell, both to lower the CG and for a major increase in capacity. I need the range more than anything, and a cell would be safer.
Hans
Hans
