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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 04:29 AM
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yup that's what stabbing the dizzy is.
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 05:07 AM
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well.. but that question was kinda asking like " I found the doorknob but where is the door" ...sorta
:shocked: Wow that's rough.

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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 11:39 AM
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Thing is the timing won't change itself unless it is something related to the springs in the distributor (advance weights sticking) or a problem with the vacuum advance which would be vacuum/carburation related. There is of course the distinct possibility that someone messed with it and screwed up the timing before you got the car presuming the car is suffering from a "pre-existing condition.

What I'm getting at here is if the car didn't have this problem when you got it changing the timing won't fix it. You are likely looking at a maintenance issue first. You need to give as complete a description of the problem itself and any other noteable characteristics it may be doing at times such as hard starting, dieseling, wandering or inconsistant idle, etc. When the problem happens (circumstances) high, low RPM's, load, hot, cold, driving East etc? How long has it been happening and is it worsening? Number of miles since last maintenance and what was done? Keep focused on the basics before you start tampering with the timing without the proper tools equipment and guidance. Does the car have a points setup and have you checked the cap, rotor, coil connections, fuel filter etc.

Ultimately we need to isolate the major cause of the problem to being electrical/ignition related, carburation/fuel related or mechanical/valves.

It could be any of the above at this point, just have to isolate the problem step at a time. "A problem well described is a problem half resolved!"

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I ran the car for a bit this morning and listened intenly and here is what I came up with:

The engine idles just fine when it is at idle. Every once in a while when I hit the gas the engine surges a little bit and doesn't come down in RPM's until I tap the gas again and let go. When I pit my hand over the carb, I couldn't feel any air coming out. Regarding the misfire/backfire, I can count it like clockwork at idle, it is very regular, about every 2.5 seconds. Little puffs of whiteish smoke come out of the carb sometimes too, doesn't really seem to follow a pattern when that happens. No hard starting, she fires up pretty quickly. Anyone have a good idea of what this could be?
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 11:48 AM
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That's one thing that's not tolerated.....calling people names...you have to have a thicker skin if you want to hang with this group...

Don't take it personal, the guys were only having fun at your expense.
So, you can be an *** on the forum to a newbie all you want, but if you actually CALL someone an ***, that's bad. Hmmm.....

Interesting rules we gots goin' on here.
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 12:23 PM
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So, you can be an *** on the forum to a newbie all you want, but if you actually CALL someone an ***, that's bad. Hmmm.....

Interesting rules we gots goin' on here.
So..do you have a problem with the rules?
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Did I say that?

I just said they were..... interesting.
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 05:36 PM
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George?
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 05:50 PM
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George?
I thought the same thing when I first seen this post
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 09:42 PM
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go easy on the guy, we all had to learn some way, my dad learned the same way this guy did, by reading a book, back in the 1960's, and i got the easy way by having him teach me, so either way you have to learn, and luckily for him, he chose here, since this is by far the most knowledgable group of people you could find on corvettes.

On the tech side, if this just started happening, i would look at fuel, change your filter, while this might be simple, i have seen way to many times where backfiring can be attributed to this. So give this a try and if it doesnt work, post again. Stick with and dont abandon here, just cuz people are giving you a rought time.

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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 74Thrasher
I ran the car for a bit this morning and listened intenly and here is what I came up with:

The engine idles just fine when it is at idle. Every once in a while when I hit the gas the engine surges a little bit and doesn't come down in RPM's until I tap the gas again and let go. When I pit my hand over the carb, I couldn't feel any air coming out. Regarding the misfire/backfire, I can count it like clockwork at idle, it is very regular, about every 2.5 seconds. Little puffs of whiteish smoke come out of the carb sometimes too, doesn't really seem to follow a pattern when that happens. No hard starting, she fires up pretty quickly. Anyone have a good idea of what this could be?
I won't pretend to be the expert many on this forum are but I will go ahead and tell you what I would/test in your scenario.

It sounds as if you have a fairly consistant miss (2.5 seconds) although it is a little hard to say still not being able to hear it. The surge is probably a choke setting problem or a minor vacuum leak, probably unfortunately unrelated. If it is indeed a consistant miss it should be pretty easy to figure out which cylinder is the culprit. Still didn't mention if the miss existed when you got the car or if it developed later, like after a run into the Redline? Given you just replaced the plugs checking them now individually one by one, the missing cylinder should look different than the rest in that it will either look dirtier (black and sooty) or may be clean and wet depending on whether it is fireing at all. Assuming we pull the plugs one by one and find the culprit we need to then still determine the root cause. It would be likely either electrical or mechanical as being a carburated engine it wouldn't only effect a single cylinder. If it were electrical it could be a bad plug wire or a bad or dirty distributor cap. If a mechanical problem I would say you have an intake valve/seat problem. On the electrical side (much cheaper) you should just go ahead and replace the cap and rotor if you haven't done so already and then test to see how it runs. Wires wouldn't be a bad idea either although they will cost you more than the cap and rotor and great care must be taken to replace them in the correct corresponding locations or you may induce an engine fire or muffler spliting backfire like you have never heard;-) Moving on----

Electrical:
Say you have found a nasty looking plug and the others still look good I would first suspect a spark plug wire, examine the suspect wire in detail, you may well find it burned somewhere, pinched or otherwise damaged which would cause it to ground short of reaching the plug hence sparking of the fuel discharge. If you found two bad looking plugs follow each wire to see where they may intersect and could be shorting accross to each other. Either buy or borrow another wire to test with replacing it to see if it rperhaps resolves the problem. If not I would then lean toward the cap and rotor if not already replaced. If alll this is good, we have demonstrarted we have a healthy blue spark to the plug we have to consider the problem may be mechanical.Coils go bad as well but usually have a different symptom(s). Points in he distributor can do this as well but I think your year may not have them anymore (check). Moving on

Mechanical:

The white smoke you mentioned can only be channelled back up through the carburator via an intake valve. Testing this involves getting the piston at TDC (Top Dead Center) on the suspect cylinder and performing "leakdown" test to see how where injected compressed air escapes the cylinder bore. This will require equipment you are unlikely to have as well as experience. Another way you can test this is to purchase or borrow a compression tester, follow the directions and test all you cylinders to find where and how much differentiation you have in air pressure between all your cylinder bores. This will identify any problematic cylinder for further investigation. This will require the assistance of a buddy to turn over the engine (coil wire off) while you log test results via the guage. Will take you a while to get through it doing all the steps right and will also neccesitate the valve covers be removed as well. This is where fingers start to get dirty and repair bills more expensive.

Check out the plugs and let us know what you find

Good luck
-Andre
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Old Jul 23, 2004 | 07:55 PM
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Did I say that?

I just said they were..... interesting.
If you rules that are....um....not so interesting, I suggest you mail them to Upper Level Managment.
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