NOT Impressed
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Burning Brakes
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St. Jude Donor '05
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NOT Impressed
Alright,
This is me going on a bit of a rant, so bear with me here.
Ive talked to the people at Bill Mitchell more Effing times than I care to talk about, and Ive been incredibly polite and understanding with them. What gets me, is that if I am willing to spend 10 grand on a slightly tuned down RACE motor, why wont they do it?? What is the possible rationale they have for NOT changing the compression ratio, cam and carb to ones that they already use in the normal series of crate motors? Its no EXTRA work, in fact its LESS because the parts Im asking for are used MORE by Bill Mitchell than the ones that normally come on the race engine.
Im very unimpressed with the level of service this supposedly "high class" engine shop is willing to provide. They are, in fact, an assembly line with little room for customizing GOD FORBID the world collapse around their heels.
Anyhow, if anyone else out there could tell me where I can have a 427SBC built that'll make over 530 horses and rev to 7 grand...tell me...because these guys dont deserve my effing money.
This is me going on a bit of a rant, so bear with me here.
Ive talked to the people at Bill Mitchell more Effing times than I care to talk about, and Ive been incredibly polite and understanding with them. What gets me, is that if I am willing to spend 10 grand on a slightly tuned down RACE motor, why wont they do it?? What is the possible rationale they have for NOT changing the compression ratio, cam and carb to ones that they already use in the normal series of crate motors? Its no EXTRA work, in fact its LESS because the parts Im asking for are used MORE by Bill Mitchell than the ones that normally come on the race engine.
Im very unimpressed with the level of service this supposedly "high class" engine shop is willing to provide. They are, in fact, an assembly line with little room for customizing GOD FORBID the world collapse around their heels.
Anyhow, if anyone else out there could tell me where I can have a 427SBC built that'll make over 530 horses and rev to 7 grand...tell me...because these guys dont deserve my effing money.
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Burning Brakes
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St. Jude Donor '05
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at this point Im so effing dissapointed in the fact that this supposidely godly engine building company is sooooooo sanctimonious in its own products AS IS WHERE IS that they wont even change the compression ratio for you, I mean WHAT THE HELL??? Ill build this effing engine myself if I have to, then RACE an effing Bill Mitchell 427 AND KICK ITS *** BACK TO NEW YORK.
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
There's a forum member that used to have a 600 HP 406 engine. His forum name is Teenagerwith74Vette. His engine was built by Chickenbone of C&S Racing somewhere in Luisiana... Check his profile and e-mail him...
I actually took his engine specs and asked AR to build a almost identical engine... I can't say anything about the engine that's being built because I don't have it yet.. Considering that I told them exactly what parts I want on the engine, I can't imaging that anything could go wrong.. At least I hope so...
I actually took his engine specs and asked AR to build a almost identical engine... I can't say anything about the engine that's being built because I don't have it yet.. Considering that I told them exactly what parts I want on the engine, I can't imaging that anything could go wrong.. At least I hope so...
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
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Don't like this one???:::
408 cubic inch small block Chevy
fresh 4 bolt block
Scat 4130 forged steel crankshaft standard rod and main journals with light knife edging
Cat 6.00” h-beam rods 4340 steel with arp 8740 bolts etc
JE SRP dome pistons 4.165” bore forged full floating
Childs and Albert z-gap rings
Clevite h-series racing bearings standard journal sizes.
Pete Jackson gear drive
Custom ground roller cam 268- 272 duration at .050” with 106 lobe sep {will make more power with larger cam}
Air flow research 220 cc aluminum heads fully ported and polished 315 cfm intake flow
Comp cams 999 valve springs and titanium retainers
Crower stainless steel roller rockers.
Custom aluminum valve covers
Edelbrock super victor intake manifold.
Fluidamper the real fluid balancer sfi approved
Melling high velocity oil pump
Kick out oil pan
This engine went 9.90 in car at 5000 ft elevation on the engine and is built to run as much as 300 hp N2O.
Internally balanced
Price: $4,300.00
408 cubic inch small block Chevy
fresh 4 bolt block
Scat 4130 forged steel crankshaft standard rod and main journals with light knife edging
Cat 6.00” h-beam rods 4340 steel with arp 8740 bolts etc
JE SRP dome pistons 4.165” bore forged full floating
Childs and Albert z-gap rings
Clevite h-series racing bearings standard journal sizes.
Pete Jackson gear drive
Custom ground roller cam 268- 272 duration at .050” with 106 lobe sep {will make more power with larger cam}
Air flow research 220 cc aluminum heads fully ported and polished 315 cfm intake flow
Comp cams 999 valve springs and titanium retainers
Crower stainless steel roller rockers.
Custom aluminum valve covers
Edelbrock super victor intake manifold.
Fluidamper the real fluid balancer sfi approved
Melling high velocity oil pump
Kick out oil pan
This engine went 9.90 in car at 5000 ft elevation on the engine and is built to run as much as 300 hp N2O.
Internally balanced
Price: $4,300.00
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
Originally Posted by Summerfun
Don't like this one???:::
408 cubic inch small block Chevy
fresh 4 bolt block
Scat 4130 forged steel crankshaft standard rod and main journals with light knife edging
Cat 6.00” h-beam rods 4340 steel with arp 8740 bolts etc
JE SRP dome pistons 4.165” bore forged full floating
Childs and Albert z-gap rings
Clevite h-series racing bearings standard journal sizes.
Pete Jackson gear drive
Custom ground roller cam 268- 272 duration at .050” with 106 lobe sep {will make more power with larger cam}
Air flow research 220 cc aluminum heads fully ported and polished 315 cfm intake flow
Comp cams 999 valve springs and titanium retainers
Crower stainless steel roller rockers.
Custom aluminum valve covers
Edelbrock super victor intake manifold.
Fluidamper the real fluid balancer sfi approved
Melling high velocity oil pump
Kick out oil pan
This engine went 9.90 in car at 5000 ft elevation on the engine and is built to run as much as 300 hp N2O.
Internally balanced
Price: $4,300.00
408 cubic inch small block Chevy
fresh 4 bolt block
Scat 4130 forged steel crankshaft standard rod and main journals with light knife edging
Cat 6.00” h-beam rods 4340 steel with arp 8740 bolts etc
JE SRP dome pistons 4.165” bore forged full floating
Childs and Albert z-gap rings
Clevite h-series racing bearings standard journal sizes.
Pete Jackson gear drive
Custom ground roller cam 268- 272 duration at .050” with 106 lobe sep {will make more power with larger cam}
Air flow research 220 cc aluminum heads fully ported and polished 315 cfm intake flow
Comp cams 999 valve springs and titanium retainers
Crower stainless steel roller rockers.
Custom aluminum valve covers
Edelbrock super victor intake manifold.
Fluidamper the real fluid balancer sfi approved
Melling high velocity oil pump
Kick out oil pan
This engine went 9.90 in car at 5000 ft elevation on the engine and is built to run as much as 300 hp N2O.
Internally balanced
Price: $4,300.00
Now that's a deal!!
I'd buy that engine if I wouldn't have ordered mine already!!!
Is that a pump gas engine?? What's the Compression??
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Evan-
Most large engine shops , such as the one you are talking about ; do not stray from the combinations that they have developed. They do not want to take the risk of you being disatisfied when the custom combination you asked for might turn out to be a non-performer. Then it's a lose lose senairo.
The cookie cutter method is the most profitable way to build the semi-custom engines. A truly custom engine is not the difference in parts cost , as much as the time on the phone with the customer and the time acquiring the right parts.
I suggest seeking a shop close to you that specializes in what you are looking for and you can comunicate face to face.
Most large engine shops , such as the one you are talking about ; do not stray from the combinations that they have developed. They do not want to take the risk of you being disatisfied when the custom combination you asked for might turn out to be a non-performer. Then it's a lose lose senairo.
The cookie cutter method is the most profitable way to build the semi-custom engines. A truly custom engine is not the difference in parts cost , as much as the time on the phone with the customer and the time acquiring the right parts.
I suggest seeking a shop close to you that specializes in what you are looking for and you can comunicate face to face.
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Grandsportc3, not sure about the compression or gas as the website does not say!
Their number is 702-597-0106
Here is the site:
http://www.dyno-flo.com/proddetail.a...BC-408&from=11
Their number is 702-597-0106
Here is the site:
http://www.dyno-flo.com/proddetail.a...BC-408&from=11
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
Originally Posted by Summerfun
Grandsportc3, not sure about the compression or gas as the website does not say!
Their number is 702-597-0106
Here is the site:
http://www.dyno-flo.com/proddetail.a...BC-408&from=11
Their number is 702-597-0106
Here is the site:
http://www.dyno-flo.com/proddetail.a...BC-408&from=11
Well - I already ordered my engine from AR so I won't buy that one anyway.. If the car really 9.90 - then the engien won't be pump gas compatible for sure..
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Burning Brakes
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St. Jude Donor '05
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thanks for the suggestions guys,
I had to leave for a while and clear my head about this whole car business....
What Ive decided to do at this time, is NOTHING.
Its not a money issue, its a logistics issue. I just put my car away for the Winter (Kingston has **** weather from the 1st of October onward) and I cant work on it, as its in storage a good 30 miles away from my campus.
Im still going to work on finding an engine manufacturer that I can trust to build me a super small block. Ive already got most of what I want in the engine figured out, all the components from the radiatior straight to the driveshaft, and now its just a matter of figuring things out and clearing my head a bit.
Thanks again guys, I must say this first engine fiasco with a Super small block is a bit discouraging, but having built a couple cars, Its by no means the end for me. Keep suggestions on engine manufacturers and new technology coming though!!!
Thanks all.
I had to leave for a while and clear my head about this whole car business....
What Ive decided to do at this time, is NOTHING.
Its not a money issue, its a logistics issue. I just put my car away for the Winter (Kingston has **** weather from the 1st of October onward) and I cant work on it, as its in storage a good 30 miles away from my campus.
Im still going to work on finding an engine manufacturer that I can trust to build me a super small block. Ive already got most of what I want in the engine figured out, all the components from the radiatior straight to the driveshaft, and now its just a matter of figuring things out and clearing my head a bit.
Thanks again guys, I must say this first engine fiasco with a Super small block is a bit discouraging, but having built a couple cars, Its by no means the end for me. Keep suggestions on engine manufacturers and new technology coming though!!!
Thanks all.
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YOu are in Ontario ? Get an engine built in Ontario, like 1bad69 says call Active Engines in Mississauga the have been building racing and otherwise engines for 30 years. They build the motors for Dream Car Garage ( is that show still on the air ?) I have known the owners for longer than that and will introduce you to them if you want email me when your ready to build a motor. 
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Burning Brakes
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St. Jude Donor '05
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Originally Posted by Fevre
Sure the feeling was mutual. 
Like you said they are a mass producer except for people who can advertise for them so he has no incentive to custom build one for Joe Blow.
Like you said they are a mass producer except for people who can advertise for them so he has no incentive to custom build one for Joe Blow.
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Burning Brakes
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St. Jude Donor '05
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Originally Posted by MotorHead
YOu are in Ontario ? Get an engine built in Ontario, like 1bad69 says call Active Engines in Mississauga the have been building racing and otherwise engines for 30 years. They build the motors for Dream Car Garage ( is that show still on the air ?) I have known the owners for longer than that and will introduce you to them if you want email me when your ready to build a motor.
Sent you a PM. Thanks man
finally some good news today.(I lost out in the campus election for leader of the NDP
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