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Instead of acting with wounded pride, can we look at the piece objectively. HAs anyone seen it here that can point out the truths and fallicies of the claims the show makes?
Wounded pride? When british guys repeated make fun of an american car for no reason, then also bring american politics into it, you better believe some people are going to get angry. The young kid raced the c6 against the tvr, nsx, adn one other car, i think a porshe. The c6 came in last place, yet it is definately a faster car then the nsx and that porshe. You should have seen how slow his 1-2 shift was. I shift quicker then that during my relaxed normal driving. They made fun of how stiff it rode, which it doesnt. Made fun of it ancient leaf spring suspension, even though it works for the car and it can out handle the majority of the high end cars out there. Made fun of the rubber front and back bumpers. Some guy ran it around the track, and couldnt keep it on the road, it almost looked liek he was drunk. The c6 still scored very well with its track time. When the old man was presented with that time and was told it was very fast, he said something like owell, were out of time, and the show ended there. Oh yeah, not to mention, the old guy was trying to act as a stand up comedian making fun of hte c6 with a crowd of people gathered around the car. What an ***.
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Ah, americans are so sensitive. Top Gear is not meant to be taken seriously. It's like watching wrestling. To those who've never seen it before, they bash every car and the country it was made in no matter what it is. Their humor is often sarcastic, and based on pushing stereotypes.
That said, most of their jokes are based on reality. The vette's interior is garbage, and I wouldn't be surprised if the shifter isn't as good as in more expensive cars. It might make more sense if you realize that people on this show own Ferraris, AMG Mercedes, and Porsches. A lot of people into vettes seem to be into trucks and muscle cars, which aren't exactly up to par compared to those other cars. It's not surprising that there would be a difference of opinion on the feel of various things. If you look at the video again, though, they actually said that the vette was "great fun" and "very fast." These are the main points to take away, are obviously positive.
those positive statements were only given by the queer acting kid. Ofcourse the interior isnt going to be up to par interior wise with their AMGs and ferraris, the car is 1/2 - 1/3 the cost for equal if not better performance. Have to make sacrifices somewhere in order to keep costs down. There is no reason to bash something as hard as they did to something that has the performance of their higher end cars with a very nice reduction in cost. And from the few topgears i have seen, i never saw them bash the cars. Only nitpick the few things they didnt like such as the lotus elise top took too long to put together, not look at this crappy ancient suspension and how horrible the car rides.
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those positive statements were only given by the queer acting kid. Ofcourse the interior isnt going to be up to par interior wise with their AMGs and ferraris, the car is 1/2 - 1/3 the cost for equal if not better performance. Have to make sacrifices somewhere in order to keep costs down. There is no reason to bash something as hard as they did to something that has the performance of their higher end cars with a very nice reduction in cost. And from the few topgears i have seen, i never saw them bash the cars. Only nitpick the few things they didnt like such as the lotus elise top took too long to put together, not look at this crappy ancient suspension and how horrible the car rides.
IM VERY sorry but youve obviously never driven an AMG or a Ferrari ahahaha. By European standards the C6 isnt an AMAZING car. If youve been in Europe youd see more what north americans consider luxury cars. A 3 Series BMW is a Taurus. A c6, hell a C6 ZO6 wouldnt be up to par for what north american manufacturers have hyped it to be INSIDE of america!! For what a C6 is (a new era american sports car), its very very good. I dont much care for Leafs either, hell I replaced them in my truck and want to replace the mono leafs on my vette....it is true that they are better engineered and deliver a strong ride, but I doubt its up to the standards of the AMGs and Porsches they are testing against. The C6 is undoubtedly a good car, of course it is, and it had better be for the $, but again, in a European program they will look at things FAR differently than how we will. The money you pay in Europe for a C6 willllll get you a better car there. Thats a fact. They perhaps did not give all the credit where credit was due, but thats par for the course. It doesnt mean EVERYTHING they said was BS, just as not everything on Saturday Night Life is a total fabrication. As the saying goes, every pound of sarcasm has at least an ouce of truth.
Im not knocking the C6 or pardoning the somewhat unfair view, just playing a devils advocat on the subject.
Im not saying the c6 is an AMAZING, unbeatable car, but I am saying that performace wise it will stand up to many of the euro cars. I rode around in my uncles sl500, it drove like a luxury car, handled well, and accelerated not so well. The car also comes with a 90k price tag. A c6 would easily outrun it and outhandle it. The vette doesnt ride as smooth as the mercades, but it is also a sports car- it isnt meant to.
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Wounded pride? When british guys repeated make fun of an american car for no reason, then also bring american politics into it, you better believe some people are going to get angry. The young kid raced the c6 against the tvr, nsx, adn one other car, i think a porshe. .
Funny that they rag on the quality of the Vette, but rave all over their TVR. Now I LIKE TVR's but quality-wise they're on a par with homemade Cobras.
A vette is a sports car for the needy driver.
The guy who loves power and needs to drive something that looks good as well.
No BS muscle mobile with current date wannabe excuses for luxury in an attempt to stay with the trend.
For interest sake, does anyone know the percentage of past or current Vette owners that bought C5's as compared to people who never owned a Vette before.
The same probably goes for Dodge, Ford and Pontiac.
How many people that love muscle cars cross back and forth?
I bet the stats would be an eye opener!!
Interesting at least!!
I bet GM tries miserably to attract people from outside of the Muscle car lovers circle and therefore the sometimes sad attempts at luxury.
I'd buy a C6 even if it had less inside, but the same powerplant.
A comfy seat, a nice looking car and some power to enjoy is all I need to be a happy driver
This is a topic that can be discussed for many hours!
Ofcourse the interior isnt going to be up to par interior wise with their AMGs and ferraris, the car is 1/2 - 1/3 the cost for equal if not better performance. Have to make sacrifices somewhere in order to keep costs down. There is no reason to bash something as hard as they did to something that has the performance of their higher end
cars with a very nice reduction in cost.
It's their job to find faults, and the interior is apparently an important thing to many buyers (see C5 general). They're commenting on the fact that there are tradeoffs made to have to have so much performance at that price. Whether the specific combination of luxury and performance that remains is worth it or not is personal preference.
And from the few topgears i have seen, i never saw them bash the cars. Only nitpick the few things they didnt like such as the lotus elise top took too long to put together, not look at this crappy ancient suspension and how horrible the car rides.
You must not have seen very many episodes. A short listing from memory would be: SLR had a bad interior and numb brakes, Countach had a terrible clutch and gearbox and no visibility (same complaints with the Diablo), Ford GT was too stiff, GT3RS uncomfortable, Z4 too stiffawful gearbox in an Aston Vanquish, Mercedes voice recognition not reliable enough, broken ashtray in a Gallardo (!), and so on.
From: Kansas City, MO ...I'd like to go fishing and catch a fishstick. That'd be convenient. - Mitch Hedberg
If you've ever seen full episodes, you get the humor behind the review. They knock every single car they drive. Even the show's favorite brand Aston Martin has taken its fair share of shots. Jeremy Clarkson only pretended to like Fords until FOMOCO told him that he would be getting one of the 200 GT's being imported into England.
I'm sorry if anyone here is offended, but they make some good points. Gm's interiors are appallingly cheap and plastic. My old Mazda and my new Nissan are lightyears ahead of GM in quality of materials used. Here comes the arguement "But plastic is easy to mold and cheap". Yes, it is cheap, and it looks it too. My Chevy truck has absolutly nothing but plastic covering the dash. It looks like chit, but I still love my truck.
They also pointed out that you can push on the rear bumper cover and watch it flex. If they had pointed that out on any other car than a Corvette, everyone would be in agreement about how poor of a design that is.