Serpintine Setup Complete, Part 2
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From: WAY DEEP INSIDE AMERICO,YES YOU LIVE HERE TO!! TX
[QUOTE=matchframe]Did you have to get a reverse spin water pump?
I used the long water pump that came with the whole setup.
If im correct, all the C-3's have a short pump. I am not sure
if it's reverse. You are more than welcome to come see this in person
if you ever get a chance. I am modifiying my fan on the radiator
now. I will post more pic's later. The electric fan from the camaro
is much larger than the stock fan.. this is all the same components
I will switch over to the 406
. Thats why I did not bother
to clean or paint any of the parts. I will do a big cosmetic job to
the motor and engine bay, when he is done with my block. the
main issue is pulling all the bug's, and make sure everything is
going to work. I will be so happy to have power steering again.
and the fact that i will not throw belts anymore.
I used the long water pump that came with the whole setup.
If im correct, all the C-3's have a short pump. I am not sure
if it's reverse. You are more than welcome to come see this in person
if you ever get a chance. I am modifiying my fan on the radiator
now. I will post more pic's later. The electric fan from the camaro
is much larger than the stock fan.. this is all the same components
I will switch over to the 406
. Thats why I did not botherto clean or paint any of the parts. I will do a big cosmetic job to
the motor and engine bay, when he is done with my block. the
main issue is pulling all the bug's, and make sure everything is
going to work. I will be so happy to have power steering again.
and the fact that i will not throw belts anymore.
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From: Living in the Hartland
Originally Posted by markdtn
On the trucks it just routes the (shorter) belt differently. Not sure if you can do that on the F-body too?
http://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/tech/serpentine.shtml
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From: WAY DEEP INSIDE AMERICO,YES YOU LIVE HERE TO!! TX
Originally Posted by Fevre
Yes you can, I removed the smog pump on my 89 Formula, here is a post regarding it from my f-body forum:
http://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/tech/serpentine.shtml
http://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/tech/serpentine.shtml
If so, there would have been no need to grind on the
A arm, and shorten the upper A arm bolt
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From: WAY DEEP INSIDE AMERICO,YES YOU LIVE HERE TO!! TX
Originally Posted by Fevre
No you have to use a shorter belt, about 97". Guy who wrote the artcle used Dayco 968K6.
Well son of a biscut eater, wish I knew that before
I did the grinding. Its not like it hurt anything, Just
took some time
I will put it all together and see if all goes well, I did the wiring for the alternator
last nite, I did it correctly and when i put the cable
on the battery, there is a slight hum in the alternator
I don't understand whyif the wires are the same hook up. Any idea's FEVRE
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Originally Posted by MEGLADON
Well son of a biscut eater, wish I knew that before
I did the grinding. Its not like it hurt anything, Just
took some time I will put it all together and
see if all goes well, I did the wiring for the alternator
last nite, I did it correctly and when i put the cable
on the battery, there is a slight hum in the alternator I don't understand why
if the wires are the same hook up. Any idea's FEVRE
I did the grinding. Its not like it hurt anything, Just
took some time
I will put it all together and see if all goes well, I did the wiring for the alternator
last nite, I did it correctly and when i put the cable
on the battery, there is a slight hum in the alternator
I don't understand whyif the wires are the same hook up. Any idea's FEVRE
Dynamo hum?
I am not real familiar with the newer type alt so that is why I wanted to find a 2 wire plug, 50/50 chance of wiring it right. Throw in a 3rd wire and it might be problems.
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So weird, the old alt has a 2 wire plug, with one hot
wire in the back of the alt, the newer has the same set up also
I had the whole motor in my 82 GMC 4x4, blew the heads,
putting in a 454, and i put the serpintine in the vette.
Never had any noise from the pump (NEVER) I guess thats
a good thing, But it would look better without it.
wire in the back of the alt, the newer has the same set up also
I had the whole motor in my 82 GMC 4x4, blew the heads,
putting in a 454, and i put the serpintine in the vette.
Never had any noise from the pump (NEVER) I guess thats
a good thing, But it would look better without it.
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About the smog delete. It looks like your serpentine setup is the same, or very similar to, the serpentine kit that sold in the GM Performance Parts catalog. The kit comes with the smog pump delete. With this delete option, you just get another idler wheel. I think I may have my kit parts list at work. I'll look tomorrow, and if I do, I'll send the GM part number of the idler wheel and it's bearing support that bolts into what would normally be the smog pump. Also, it looks like if you mount the idler wheel in upside down, it'll clear the upper control arm attachment shaft.
Did you have to convert your power steering pump over to a metric high pressure output line? The kit comes with a PS pump with metric threads on this line.
Did you have to convert your power steering pump over to a metric high pressure output line? The kit comes with a PS pump with metric threads on this line.
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From: Living in the Hartland
Originally Posted by 68/70Vette
About the smog delete. It looks like your serpentine setup is the same, or very similar to, the serpentine kit that sold in the GM Performance Parts catalog. The kit comes with the smog pump delete. With this delete option, you just get another idler wheel. I think I may have my kit parts list at work. I'll look tomorrow, and if I do, I'll send the GM part number of the idler wheel and it's bearing support that bolts into what would normally be the smog pump. Also, it looks like if you mount the idler wheel in upside down, it'll clear the upper control arm attachment shaft.
Did you have to convert your power steering pump over to a metric high pressure output line? The kit comes with a PS pump with metric threads on this line.
Did you have to convert your power steering pump over to a metric high pressure output line? The kit comes with a PS pump with metric threads on this line.
I am converting to steeriods so I ended up cutting the f-body steering hose and taking it to a place to get a compression fitting put on it to mate with the adaptor that screws into the rack, cost $10.
Guy said that if the old fitting or hose leaks to bring it back in and he can fab up an all new one for me for about $30.
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I modded my radiator last nite with the fan.
it looks damn good, and blows like a tornado .
its a tight fit, I only have to remove the alternator to
remove the radiator, or install it, due to the fan being
fixed to the radiator. No fan shroud, but I swear there's
no need for it now. I will put a shorter belt instead of the
delete pully, Its only common sense. I have to modd up some
upper and lower water hoses. my plumber friend is bringing
me some copper 90's 45's and straights. tonite I will finish
the job. and tomorrow I will get TT to post the rest of the pic's.
everything looks tight in the bay, but its up todate on technology
parts. GTR1999 is rebuilding my steering box now, when I
get it back on I will figure how the power steering hoses work.
If anyone already know's the issue to this chime in
it looks damn good, and blows like a tornado
.its a tight fit, I only have to remove the alternator to
remove the radiator, or install it, due to the fan being
fixed to the radiator. No fan shroud, but I swear there's
no need for it now. I will put a shorter belt instead of the
delete pully, Its only common sense. I have to modd up some
upper and lower water hoses. my plumber friend is bringing
me some copper 90's 45's and straights. tonite I will finish
the job. and tomorrow I will get TT to post the rest of the pic's.
everything looks tight in the bay, but its up todate on technology
parts. GTR1999 is rebuilding my steering box now, when I
get it back on I will figure how the power steering hoses work.
If anyone already know's the issue to this chime in
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From: Living in the Hartland
Originally Posted by MEGLADON
I modded my radiator last nite with the fan.
it looks damn good, and blows like a tornado .
its a tight fit, I only have to remove the alternator to
remove the radiator, or install it, due to the fan being
fixed to the radiator. No fan shroud, but I swear there's
no need for it now. I will put a shorter belt instead of the
delete pully, Its only common sense. I have to modd up some
upper and lower water hoses. my plumber friend is bringing
me some copper 90's 45's and straights. tonite I will finish
the job. and tomorrow I will get TT to post the rest of the pic's.
everything looks tight in the bay, but its up todate on technology
parts. GTR1999 is rebuilding my steering box now, when I
get it back on I will figure how the power steering hoses work.
If anyone already know's the issue to this chime in
it looks damn good, and blows like a tornado
.its a tight fit, I only have to remove the alternator to
remove the radiator, or install it, due to the fan being
fixed to the radiator. No fan shroud, but I swear there's
no need for it now. I will put a shorter belt instead of the
delete pully, Its only common sense. I have to modd up some
upper and lower water hoses. my plumber friend is bringing
me some copper 90's 45's and straights. tonite I will finish
the job. and tomorrow I will get TT to post the rest of the pic's.
everything looks tight in the bay, but its up todate on technology
parts. GTR1999 is rebuilding my steering box now, when I
get it back on I will figure how the power steering hoses work.
If anyone already know's the issue to this chime in
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Originally Posted by Fevre
To get the hose right I cut the f-body hose at the ram rod end (rack in my case) and then cut the fitting at the end off then bent it 90 (it has a slight curve to it). I then put the cut of end int the hose and test fitted it, I used a hose clamp to clamp the cut fitting end so it would not move so it was the perfect length and correct orientation (the steeriods hose ends where 180 while I need hose ends 90 degree). I can snap a pic of the finished product of it would help, I have not tightened it down onto the car yet.
hoses, I did not even think about this pump being metric
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Originally Posted by Fevre
Why bother with a delete pulley when you can eliminate the pump by just purchasing a $20 belt? Once less thing to have to replace in the future when bearings wear out.
The crankshaft pully you have caught my attention. It looks a lot smaller in diameter than the pully that came with the serpentine kit from GM Performance. I'd like to have a smaller pulley to reduce alternator and PS pump rpms.
Anyhow, if anyone's interested, the PN of the smog pump delete idler pully is 10129569. Look in the GM Performance Parts catalog for the three Serpentine Kits they sell. One is just hardware: brackets, pulleys, tensioner, etc. The next kit includes, in addition, the PS pump, a reverse rotation water pump, a 104 amp alternator, and the air conditioner delete pully and smog pump delete pully. The final kit includes all of the previous plus an air conditioner compressor.
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I had a new compression fitting put on, I do not think they can reuse fittings. And yes I did cut it in half, you might be able to find a used hose at a junk yard but a nice clean hose for less than $20 would be much better IMHO. I got the hose with the serp set up and was hoping to get an all new hose made but the guy did not have the right thickness piping for the 0-ring fitting end (something to do with the bump flare ) so I decided to have him put the compression fitting on the old hose so I could give it a try.
) so I decided to have him put the compression fitting on the old hose so I could give it a try.