Ive been follwing the NCRS thread.. Aside from the logo which was the real issue I find some interesting things mentioned. Awards,monitary gains, bragging rights if you will. Well... here's my stand........ If you take one of these "restored" rare high dollar cars to a "general" car show..... Here's what usually happens. The trophies usually go to the "new" cars that are adorned with chrome and dress up stuff and have "foot deep" finishes. Now this pristine NCRS car may be worh more money but the only people that care if it is original,fake,over restored or whatever are the "few" Corvette trivia buffs that happen by. So you need to put lots time, effort and mega dollars to achieve the top dog status no matter what. Try taking your tricked out, chromed, big block/700R4/ AC 57 Corvette hot rod to an NCRS show and see what happens. No explaination need !!! Niether side will win here because we comparing unlike things. There are lots of car shows to attend if you want to enjoy the commeradery and meet a bunch of nice people with common interest. I really enjoy all of the shows I attend. I drive my car daily, it isn't perfect, nor is it a show car. I drive it all week (I work for a living) and do a quick clen-up Friday night so I can drive (not on a trailer) 100 miles Saturday morning to a show. I don't expect a trophy. I do however expect to have fun. If you Just want a trophy then you can spend Many hours and lots of money only to get beaten by a car you think is not worthy of winning. Now you go home P.O.'d and still have no trophy. Maybe you'll even boycott the next few shows! I'll still be there enjoying the friends i've made, and I promise not to point out the only bad spot on your car. So whose the real winner here? Take a break guys

 

I am an NCRS member and enjoy all Corvette aspects of "our" hobby. I go to Corvette autocrosses, Corvette Custom car shows, NCCC shows & NCRS shows. And some of my "numbers" do not match

 

Larry/Paul - I'm fit you. I feel the same way.

 

My numbers match. I got 454 on both sides of my hood.

I feel a hi-jack coming.

 

We're all car enthusiast. Some are numbers matching, some are wild, some are mild, some are even made by other car manufactures. When I go to a car show I'll look at them all, it might not be my taste, but I appreciate the hard work that the owner put into their ride, from the NCRS 99 point car to the ricer with a mega sound system & air suspension. I wear my "Not Correctly Restored Corvette" shirt to most of my clubs meetings and get alot of laughs from the NCRS members. Let's all remember that we all have grease under our nails, watch all the car shows on TV, read our magazines and we keep the hot rod, street machine, correctly restored scene alive one way or another. The only real enemy we have are our elected officials that want to regulate our hobby away. Rod

 

I agree with you Rod. I find some of the customization of Corvettes as much as an abomination as the '78 Pace Cars with 8 original miles and crazy Bloomington/NCRS judging. We all need to find some level of respect for each other no matter what we do with our cars. Individuals at both extremes have a much more in common than people think. One side struggles to duplicate the original flow coat system and semi-gloss black for their 1967 frame while the other side tries to find the right hue of red powder coating for their a-arms. Either way, both individuals are going to need to know how to weld, degree a cam, find a proper mixture setting, adjust the rear camber, and hunt down parts that fit and work properly. When they both come in from the garage, they wash their hands with GoJo and watch a weekend of American Muscle Car on Speed Channel. Not much different when you really think about it.

Off the soapbox and trying to stay in the middle.

 

I'm Glad we have the NCRS
IMO... Corvettes are a part of American history, some Corvettes SHOULD be protected by LAW Just like the Bald Eagle!!!
But Only SOME... The Very rare ones or Famous ones should be treated this way! When they punch out 20k+ cars pretty much alike from the factory Don't pick on the few of us that want to modify them!!!

 

This is one way that I see it. The NCRS does a fairly good job at trying to keeping a percentage of the Corvettes as close to the way they came off the production line. We all know that a fully restored hand built car that someone put a lot of time and love into it is more than likely better than the production model. That's not my point in regard to this post.
I think there are 3 major groups of vette owners. Those who want to keep them original, those who want modified vettes, and finally those who could care less about the other two. The recent debates here been between the original and modified group and their sticker. In my opinion I think both groups are proud of their vettes. They have tons more in common than they have differences. I would not be surprised if an owner of an original car sees a modified vette and wished he had one. An original car is stuck with using parts and technolgy from 30 or so years ago. I have no idea on how the 'all original' concept became so popular. I not saying that I don't enjoy seeing an all original vette. I love looking at them.

 

i have to agree with the general opinions . it is not the NCRS that is the real issue.they do a fine job of regulating the corvette restoration hobby. they protect us from being cheated and abused.
rather it,to me, are the purists who refuse to acknowledge the 'incorrect' cars as being an intregal part of our hobby.to them it's not worthy unless the numbers match,and the chalk markon the frame still exist.
i am striving to get my car 100% road worthy by whatever means and parts necessary. it will never be correct ,not even close.i want to be able to drive anywhere with confidence and pride. because i OWN A CORVETTE!
i do need to learn not to apologise for my car at shows. amazing how many rude comments i have heard. i guess they just don't know what it takes to keep a 30 year old car running.

Robin

 

Quote.....(An original car is stuck with using parts and technolgy from 30 or so years ago. I have no idea on how the 'all original' concept became so popular. I not saying that I don't enjoy seeing an all original vette. I love looking at them. )

While cars of today are very high tech and reliable, the older cars were easier to maintain without spending you life savings. The parts that go bad are often the cheap (not always cheap in price) replacement parts that are not made to the sam standard as the factory parts. This applies to new cars,old cars and those inbetween.

 

all of the above. I've said it many times: to each his own. I appreciate the care, respect for history and hard work that NCRS folks have put into the hobby. I also like the creativity, enginuity (sp?), hard work that modders do as well. The reason for the apparent animosity (It seems that it's mutual) escapes me. Both are important and legitimate. It does chap my backside more a little that lawyers are involved. I used to think that the legal profession was an honorable one and at one time it probably was. But after battling some of the nastiest attorneys in my part of the region for 3 years now, sometimes without representation myself, I have seen otherwise. Dirty tricks, PI's, legal harrassment and outright perjury have been the order of the day. Whats' more, in spite of all this, I have won every single fight resoundingly save one (There have been over 40). Suffice it to say that I don't like lawyers, not even my own, and I hate to see them involved in our hobby. Especially since it all started with a joke. (good one, Paul)

 

There are positives to both "sides" of Vette people. I personally like an original looking car with late model upgrades. I describe mine as the 69 Chevrolet would have built in 89. I enjoy seeing original cars and mild modifications. I don't enjoy seeing ultra mod cars that don't even resemble a Corvette, but that's just me. If it's your car, do what you want with it (just don't tell me I have to like it). I'm just glad to see people fixing some of these basket case cars instead of cutting them up for parts.

 

I for one will take a stand.

Obviously the NCRS leadership requested their legal team go after a guy making a parody sticker. (Unless their lyer was just bored one day)

This is not a case of "one bad apple" but a concerted effort from the leadership to pressure an individual into aquiescing to the NCRS point of view.

I for one beleive this to be , and until I hear an apology from them will think their organization is

 

Isn't this like the third, or fourth spin-off of the origonal thread?

 

How about a prediction?

You won't sweat on the way there w/ your AC on.
You'll feel comfortable riding on radials that aren't cracking and disintegrating with a good modern seat belt/shoulder belt and some lights that light up the road in the event you're out late.
You'll find that the show is closed to the public as they usually are.
You won't sweat on your way home even though it's now hotter as the sun is fully up and you'll reflect on the fact that you are enjoying a nice view from your car rather than it sitting in the dark back of an enclosed car hauler behind a large tow-vehicle.

 

What are you guys talking about?

 

Bottom line, it's a dumbazz thing to threaten first and talk never. We had a certain Corvette professional (who, by the way, still hangs out here and is a very active member of the NCRS--hmmmm) used to do the exact same thing & threaten anyone who dared say boo about him or his business here with lawsuits, and that would always create screaming long nasty threads full of people saying they would never do business with him in a million years and others saying what a good Joe he was, blah, blah, blah. I can't imagine it did good things for his business, and I can't imagine this is doing good things for the NCRS. I for one used to think of them the way I think of my car club--bunch of good ol' boys and girls who loved classic cars. I don't think of that way anymore. Just another corporate bully, is how I think of them now.

I don't know if the leadership of the NCRS are good Joes or not, but threatening people with lawsuits without contacting them first themselves to just like TALK ABOUT IT makes me think they're stupid Joes (or, more likely, arrogant ones). It's another corvette guy they're threatening, for God's sake. Act like human beings instead of corporate deadheads and do him the courtesy of talking to him first.

JB

 

the funny thing about this is that the new generation of owners/restorers coming up couldn't give a rats **** about numbers - in fact the more modded the better so the new Not Correctly Restored will likely garner a higher price in the coming years.

 

That's the way it always has been.. more so in the 60's and 70's. That's why there are so few original examples. Almost no one drove a stock performance car. 1955 through 1972 was the hot rodders heyday. American Gaffiti says it all. (great movie BTW ) They have now outgrown the street racing scene and have settled down and raised their families, but That's where it all started. Todays cars are much more drivable on a daily basis though.

 

It sure is, and is quickly degenerating into just another bashing session. I find it pretty amusing to sit here and read all of this - especially when very few (if any?) of the bashers have real first handed experience in going to an NCRS event and supposedly being submitted to this type of 'horrid' treatment.

More than likely, the majority of bashers here are nothing more than pimple faced 17 year old wannabees that heve never owned a car, never will, and whose total knowledge of the hobby comes from a Jegs or Summit catalogue and reading Hot Rod magazine with one hand while they sit on the pot.

If the NCRS has damaged their public perception by sending the letter to these two private individuals, what are people going to think of the CF members when this is all said and done?