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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 08:12 AM
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We are no longer back ordered and most likely never will be again now that we have everything in stock. I would like to take this time to apologize to everyone that has been waiting. Sorry!

We at dynaspark.net are considering offering a solution for the budget racer and would like to hear your guys' input before we make the step forward. Heres the idea...

The cost of a new opti is around 350 for your average joe. For $350 you can send your old opti to us and we will turn it around to a dynaspark using your cap, rotor and optical sensor and the rest of the parts will be our new parts. Due to the fact that the life of the optical sensor has been compromised from already being ran in the junk distributor we will not be able to warranty any parts but the new ones we install. However, it will still be rebuildable in the event it would ever need replaced.

There will most likely be more guidlines but thats the gist. I wouldnt want to put the time and effort into this if nobody is interested so lets here your input.

On another note, we are working with a professional website builder to better serve our customers and we are expecting it to be updated beginning in late april.

I want to thank everyone in advance for any input on this matter.

Eric Harris
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DYNASPARK
Due to the fact that the life of the optical sensor has been compromised from already being ran in the junk distributor we will not be able to warranty any parts but the new ones we install. However, it will still be rebuildable in the event it would ever need replaced.

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Why in the world would we want to pay the same amount of money for a product that you are saying is already "comprimised" as far as reliablility? No warranty? Why would we pay the same amount of money for something W/O getting an equal if not better product?

Just my 2 cents.....
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 09:41 AM
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$350, shipping, used parts, no warranty==no thanks.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 12:12 PM
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I, too, fail to see the advantage in buying a rebuilt unit when, for the same price, you can buy an all-new unit.
Ball's in your court, Eric.

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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 01:49 PM
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I have you in mind whenever I need an optispark again, even if it's a breakdown on the road on a trip (again).

Like the others, I don't think I would want other enhancements with the stock cap and rotor. I'd rather pay the price to upgrade to the Dynaspark and get all the good parts.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 04:12 PM
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Maybe if you rebuilt it useing MSD's cap and rotor and your sealing and other ugrades.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 04:41 PM
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I have to agree $350 is too steep for the little you will do with it especially a GenII opti.You might get takers on the GenI with a new vented cap&rotor(preferably MSD) tossed in.In fact you ought to think about offering that as an option on you regular unit.It costs the same or less than what your using and would enhance your reputation against the Johhny come latelys.Might have to order them to a PO box if MSD finds out though.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 05:16 PM
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Quality parts in + quality labor/knowledge = Quality Part(s) Out!

Now that is a winning combination. I believe all of the posters above have hit on the issues. It's up to you, Eric. But you've come a long way, if only in the way you ask and discuss with us. So, in advance of whatever you decide, I take my hat off to you.
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I was expecting these responses. Thats why i said testing the waters... Ive heard many people praise the idea however i was a little weary of it for the same reasons you guys have said... Our intentions are to give the people on a budget extra options because ive had a lot of people inquire about the price and then say no thanks, more so than people who were interested.

As far as using the MSD cap and rotor, we have considered it... The only thing it would do for the consumer is make them feel warm and fuzzy inside. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the oem cap, rotor... and optical sensor for that matter... We slightly alter the cap and rotor for more reliability but they are a sound unit, and there is no reason to use anything different. If the customer wanted it though i would be more than happy to install an MSD cap and rotor kit, but if you knew what I knew, you wouldnt spend the extra money... i dont know how to put it without degrading their product... I do like how they fashioned a 5th bolt on the cap for better clearance, but as far as sealing goes, we'll never know until i get my hands on one and tear it apart...

As soon as i get my hands on an MSD i am going to analyze it and compare it with our unit so you guys can see the difference. I keep pressing the delete button because i have nothing but bad things to say and im not that kind of business man. We will dyno test an MSD, a Dynaspark, and a factory opti and give you the results on our webpage as soon as humanly possible in order to better decide.

Maybe a sale is in order, to compete with their prices until we sort the winners from the losers. Im anxious to see what they have thought of on their own. :

As far as the used no warranty thing goes, i appreciate your guys' input and will take it to heart. Since you know what i shouldnt do, what do you think I should do? Im all ears here, let me know what you guys want from me in order to do business. Because thats what im here for.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rocco16
I, too, fail to see the advantage in buying a rebuilt unit when, for the same price, you can buy an all-new unit.
Ball's in your court, Eric.

Larry
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Because as long as the optical sensor was still good it would essentially be a used dynaspark with all the advantages...

I thought that maybe there was a miscomunication there, we arent rebuilding to oem, we are rebuilding to a D-spark...
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 06:55 PM
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Sounds like you have a good plan on a MSD vs.Dynaspark side by side and dyno test.A little more info on what will be done to the rebuild option so people can see the value might be good.I know the optical sensors are very reliable but what about the disc?As I mentioned It could be a really good deal for a GEN I opti but not as good for a GenII as the consensus is the Gen II is alot more reliable.

Oh and a little cheaper price and mabey a limited(3mo?6mo?) warranty would help.

Also when you can afford it become a supporting vendor and mabey some group purchases
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 07:13 PM
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For $309.00 I can get a new 0pti from PACE Chevy in Ohio...shipping is less than $11.00
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CJB
For $309.00 I can get a new 0pti from PACE Chevy in Ohio...shipping is less than $11.00
But it is not coolant proof nor of the quality the Dynaspark is.I powerwash my engine do you?
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 08:08 PM
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I like the fact you are thinking outside the box and give you but a used optical sensor, cap and rotor on $350 unit is still a time bomb. Now if you want an idea how about knocking off a few bucks for a complete unit w/o the cap and rotor but add in a new optical sensor for the LTCC and Delteq croud?
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Originally Posted by DYNASPARK
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Maybe a sale is in order, ............
Because thats what im here for.
Eric



Mine is in the garage awaiting a new opti...... I dont want to go stock because I do race it and am in the seemingly neverending process of modding it...
I know the MSD unit is not released and untested (in the real world) but I have planned to buy one when they do come out..as long as its sometime soon...I'll take one for the team, so to speak, seeing as how I have ran their products for over two years now with no issues. I do have confidence in their products....


That said, the primary deterent is the price of your dynaspark unit. I know guys here on the forum have been running them for quite awhile now too...and I would buy your product based simply upon their experiences with the dynaspark.... if it were more closely priced.

A sale would certainly sway me.... I'm not gonna wait for something thats not out if I can get a quality piece now... but 600 is too rich for my blood. JMHO

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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FD2BLK
I like the fact you are thinking outside the box and give you but a used optical sensor, cap and rotor on $350 unit is still a time bomb. Now if you want an idea how about knocking off a few bucks for a complete unit w/o the cap and rotor but add in a new optical sensor for the LTCC and Delteq croud?

agreed on the time bomb analogy...

As far as your second comment goes, the LTCC crowd will be pleased to hear that we are getting our gen 3 ready for mass production soon (it has been run and tested and works like a charm) I am expecting mid april.

Concerning the price, the good lord knows I would absoulutely love to charge $500 for a new dynaspark, it would just tickle me to death. Supply and Demand plays a big part here, I would be concerned that the demand curve isnt steep enough for us to profit selling them at 500 each. Thats why i was considering the sale, give it a try, see how people like the 500 and if it works out ill keep it there... If it comes down to it i may have to do that, or at least keep it around 500 but not exactly @...

Red, i like your idea of having a limited warranty options for a lower price... that seems feasable... however, warranties are never an issue with the dynaspark... ever... the quality wouldnt change, so a 3 month warranty unit would last just as long as a 12 month warranty unit and i would be charging different amounts... I would probably be better off selling at a cheaper price than complicating things with variable warranties...

I really like the comments guys, keep them coming... btw, supporting vendor status is on my list of things to do, group buys are where its at

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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CJB
For $309.00 I can get a new 0pti from PACE Chevy in Ohio...shipping is less than $11.00
Well PACE Chevy will be glad to get your business over and over again

When you have to replace it a second time you could have had a Dynaspark that you will likely never have to replace... spend a little (comparatively) money now or keep spending money later...
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Mine is in the garage awaiting a new opti...... I dont want to go stock because I do race it and am in the seemingly neverending process of modding it...
I know the MSD unit is not released and untested (in the real world) but I have planned to buy one when they do come out..as long as its sometime soon...I'll take one for the team, so to speak, seeing as how I have ran their products for over two years now with no issues. I do have confidence in their products....


That said, the primary deterent is the price of your dynaspark unit. I know guys here on the forum have been running them for quite awhile now too...and I would buy your product based simply upon their experiences with the dynaspark.... if it were more closely priced.

A sale would certainly sway me.... I'm not gonna wait for something thats not out if I can get a quality piece now... but 600 is too rich for my blood. JMHO


Keep us in mind, I wouldnt be able to sleep at night knowing you're running an MSD distributor... look for the big red sale sign, because im seriously considering it
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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 12:48 AM
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I don't need one right now, but if you guys ever put them on sale I will scoop one up for the future... I will certainly need a replacement sooner or later.

If I am not mistaken, didn't you put a GP on these towards the end of last year? Somewhere in the neighborhood of $460 plus $15 shipping?

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Originally Posted by Powerdrive

Mine is in the garage awaiting a new opti...... I dont want to go stock because I do race it and am in the seemingly neverending process of modding it...
I know the MSD unit is not released and untested (in the real world) but I have planned to buy one when they do come out..as long as its sometime soon...I'll take one for the team, so to speak, seeing as how I have ran their products for over two years now with no issues. I do have confidence in their products....


That said, the primary deterent is the price of your dynaspark unit. I know guys here on the forum have been running them for quite awhile now too...and I would buy your product based simply upon their experiences with the dynaspark.... if it were more closely priced.

A sale would certainly sway me.... I'm not gonna wait for something thats not out if I can get a quality piece now... but 600 is too rich for my blood. JMHO

I'm in the same boat. Hopefully I will return from Iraq in mid-late May, so I have a little time. If you have a sale (and I can access a computer to know about it) I'm definately in.
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