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Old Jun 15, 2006 | 10:37 PM
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Does anyone know if a 89 camaro block will work on a swap? When I do a car parts search it only shows that a 84 block will work. Have got a overheated engine that siezed....I mystery oiled it free but compression numbers are 45-90...someone told me if I got the heads redone I might make it. Has anyone done a engine pull and is this a big job on a automatic. Car has 83.5 and the camaro engine has 88k. Appreciate the help. Thank You
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Old Jun 15, 2006 | 11:33 PM
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ok corvetts are xtremly easy to swap engines -- so no worries there
the engine can be pulled while leaving the tranny in the car, just make sure that you support the front of the tranny when you goto pull the motor.

alright next prob you have
tpi and overheating will not affect so re-use

heads i dont think that you will have a prob there just think back and if you had blue smoke belch out when you started up the motor then you need to replace the valve stem seals, on those go with the good ones ie: jegs part # 249-502-16, and while you have the heads apart check the guides for wear they are cheep and easy to replace

btw porting l98 heads is worth its weight in gold i built a 358 -thats .060 overbore - and it makes 410 hp w/l98s

ok what you do need to know it that in 87 gm changed from a 2 piece rear main seal to a 1 piece, and also your block is roller meaning that you have a roller cam -the lobes are ground for roller lifters- and rolller lifters that are held in place by the "spider" so named cause it looks like in :> so in a pre 87 block there are no bosses drilled in the block for the spider. so you have to use the 84 valve train,

but if the heads are not l98s ie old smoggers freshen yours up and use them, they flow extremly well, and your ecm is tuned for there airflow
--you will need to verify accurate valve train geometry if you change heads

as an aside i would "freshen up" that motor before installing it,

ie valve springs, timming chain gear set, pushrods, and lifters

this is all preventative maintenance but can save you from something really bad in the future

also i dont know if you are subject to emmisions testing or not but if they know that you put in an older motor that your car is,....ohhh bad

so anywho best of luck

travis
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Old Jun 16, 2006 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sherwin
Does anyone know if a 89 camaro block will work on a swap? When I do a car parts search it only shows that a 84 block will work. Have got a overheated engine that siezed....I mystery oiled it free but compression numbers are 45-90...someone told me if I got the heads redone I might make it. Has anyone done a engine pull and is this a big job on a automatic. Car has 83.5 and the camaro engine has 88k. Appreciate the help. Thank You
I priced an '84 Refurbed short block from Kragen Yesterday for $1100 bux. don't mess with that junkyard stuff. If you have to rebuild a junkyard motor I've got a great idea.....rebuild the one sitting in your engine bay and save yourself the headache.

So rebuild the one you have or get a refurbed from Kragen/Schucks/Checkers with a warranty
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Old Jun 16, 2006 | 11:43 AM
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Default Was trying to get this car going on the cheap

Found the 89 camaro motor for $200 and figured I could just swap everything from the 84 over to it and be on my way. Seems the engines are different and this is not possible?
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Old Jun 16, 2006 | 11:47 AM
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Found the 89 camaro motor for $200 and figured I could just swap everything from the 84 over to it and be on my way. Seems the engines are different and this is not possible?
The fact that something will not be a direct swap. In ohter words.there will be some component that was upgraded and bolts on in a different location that causes you to have to source some part. But that is not always bad.

I just wouldn't feel good about putting an 80k motor in car without refurbing it myself. Sure is a lot of work only to have a bearing spin in 6 months.
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First some ground rules: Since you are only paying $200 for the Camero engine I assume you are doing this on the super cheap. Super cheap and reliability do not fit in the same sentenance. Neither does junque yard engine and reliability. With that said, how complete is the junque engine? Heads? Valve train,see the post about roller lifters and spider? If the heads are in place it should be a simple matter to swap your intake mounts and other assorted pieces and parts. If the heads are missing then use your heads and do the swaping. The old saw "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear " applies. Everything you will have in the car will be questionable. I would recommend you join AAA and never,never leave home without a fully charged cell phone.
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Old Jun 16, 2006 | 12:54 PM
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engine includes carb to oil pan including transmission and computer........but after talking with seller he says from 83 camaro....Which would make it a 305........Seller says everything else on his engine is the same even the crossfire injection? Will this motor be a mate?
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engine includes carb to oil pan including transmission and computer........but after talking with seller he says from 83 camaro....Which would make it a 305........Seller says everything else on his engine is the same even the crossfire injection? Will this motor be a mate?
You have an intake that will not bolt to a center-bolt head, (87 & later). Like some one else suggested, it may make more since to rebuild the engine in your car. If I can help in any way, feel free to ask.
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Originally Posted by Muffin
First some ground rules: Since you are only paying $200 for the Camero engine I assume you are doing this on the super cheap. Super cheap and reliability do not fit in the same sentenance. Neither does junque yard engine and reliability. With that said, how complete is the junque engine? Heads? Valve train,see the post about roller lifters and spider? If the heads are in place it should be a simple matter to swap your intake mounts and other assorted pieces and parts. If the heads are missing then use your heads and do the swaping. The old saw "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear " applies. Everything you will have in the car will be questionable. I would recommend you join AAA and never,never leave home without a fully charged cell phone.
I take all this back. If you are considering an 83 305 in a Corvette take two asprin and go to bed.
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Originally Posted by Muffin
I take all this back. If you are considering an 83 305 in a Corvette take two asprin and go to bed.
FYI the 84 C4 california car had a 305 in it.
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Originally Posted by Normseven
FYI the 84 C4 california car had a 305 in it.
Correct but my reading tells me it was a king sized POS. If the crank is not overly scored he can get a rebuild kit for real cheap,less than $150.00. Use a bead type hone to scuff the cylinders,cast rings,new bearings and oil pump. Not fancy but he would be ahead of trying to monkey fit a 305 Camero engine with 83k into his ride.
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Originally Posted by Muffin
Correct but my reading tells me it was a king sized POS. If the crank is not overly scored he can get a rebuild kit for real cheap,less than $150.00. Use a bead type hone to scuff the cylinders,cast rings,new bearings and oil pump. Not fancy but he would be ahead of trying to monkey fit a 305 Camero engine with 83k into his ride.
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This swap has nightmare all over it. Any swap is expenisive rather you are going up in size or down.

I am glad you mentioned the rebuild kit for $150. If you are really strapped you can do most of with the Block still in the car. I wouldn't but I have seen things..........bad things....Things you don't really want to hear about......
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Originally Posted by sherwin
engine includes carb to oil pan including transmission and computer........but after talking with seller he says from 83 camaro....Which would make it a 305........Seller says everything else on his engine is the same even the crossfire injection? Will this motor be a mate?
The CrossFire setup on a Camaro has smaller throttle bodies.Why dont you just rebuild what you got,if its not toast that would be the way to go,no guess work.
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I have a 1984 crossfire 350 engine from my Vette that I am planning on selling later this summer. If you want a solid spare to rebuild pm me.
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Originally Posted by Normseven
FYI the 84 C4 california car had a 305 in it.
No it didn't. And if the salesman told you that, I'd be pissed.

305 CA vette was in 1980 only.
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No it didn't. And if the salesman told you that, I'd be pissed.

305 CA vette was in 1980 only.
I questioned that statement but being new I didn't say anything. All the info you guys just gave me on Motors etc. None said anything about a 305.
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