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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 09:43 PM
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How do trouble codes display? I did the paper clip jumper on my '86 L98 in order to diagnose a constant SES condition. I see the code 12 which is one flash followed by two flashes. Are any stored codes displayed as a series of flashes or do you see the actual number displayed? The only thing I see is the SES flashing 6 consecurive times. Thanks for any help.
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 09:57 PM
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Code 12 means the system is working. Codes are displayed as dashes, just like the 1 pause 2 for the code 12. Sounds like you do not have any active codes.
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 11:38 PM
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C4 Corvette Diagnostic Code Recovery Techniques

In the 'In Depth' section of this site, the ECM (Engine Control Module) codes are listed and the technique for recovering those codes on the 1984 through 1993 model Corvette is explained.

This fact sheet reviews that information and also shows you how to recover ECM codes for the rest of the C4 models plus shows how to recover the ABS, ASR, SRC, DERM and RTD codes as well.

Code Recovery: 1984 through 1993:

To recover ECM codes from the 1984 through 1993 Corvette, place a short as shown below between pins "A" and "B" on the ALDL (Assembly Line Diagnostic Link) connector. This connector is located under the dash just to the right of the steering column and has space for 12 pins although not all of the cavities will be populated.

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Turn the ignition switch to "On" but do not start the engine.

Depending on the model year, either the "Check Engine Light" or the "Service Engine Soon" will begin to flash.

As the code display sequence begins, you will see a flash followed by a pause and then two flashes. This is the indication for the number "12". The number 12 is a delimiter intended to show where the ECM code display starts and stops.

Code 12 will flash three times and then any stored codes will flash. When all codes have been displayed or if there are no stored codes, the number 12 will again flash three times.

For example, a problem with the EGR system (code 32) will be shown as 12, 12, 12, 32, 32, 32, 12, 12, 12.

This would be displayed on the Check Engine/Service Engine Soon light like this:

12: flash (pause), flash, flash, (long pause)
12: flash (pause), flash, flash, (long pause)
12: flash (pause), flash, flash, (long pause)
32: flash, flash, flash (pause) flash, flash (long pause)
32: flash, flash, flash (pause), flash, flash (long pause)
32: flash, flash, flash (pause), flash, flash (long pause)
12: flash (pause), flash, flash, (long pause)
12: flash (pause), flash, flash, (long pause)
12: flash (pause), flash, flash (long pause)

The ECM code display will repeat until you turn off the ignition switch and remove the short.
Additional Codes available on the 1984 through 1993 Corvettes:

Selective Ride Codes:

On the 1989 Corvette, if you have the Selective Ride Option, any codes associated with the SRC will cause the Service Selective Ride System light to flash when you short ALDL pins "A" to "B". The sequence uses the same 12, 12, 12 delimiter as the ECM code display uses.

Some later Corvettes require you to short pins "C" to "A" to flash codes on the SSR light. It varies with the model and you will need to consult the service manual for your particular model year to find out if these are the proper pins or if there is another technique requried.

ABS Codes:

On the 1990 and 1991 model shorting pin "H" to pin "A" will cause the ABS light to flash ABS codes. (Beginning in 1992, there is another technique which is explained below).



Not all codes are displayed using this technique. There are four codes that will not display without a scan tool. Also, note that the 1986 through 1989 Corvettes will not display any ABS codes. A special test fixture is required for those models.


Sequenced Code Recovery - 1990 through 1993:

With the interior redesign in 1990, Chevrolet added additional computer capability. The CCM (Central Control Module) was added and a method was provided to display codes on the speedometer of the Corvette.

From 1990 through 1993, you shorted ALDL pin "G" to "A" and turned the ignition to "On" without starting the engine.



This action will cause the speedometer and trip odometer to become a troubleshooting aid:



The codes will display on the speedometer. If there are no codes, the speedometer will show three dashes (---) and if the CCM cannot communicate with the other computers, the letters "ERR" will show up on the display.

The module number associated with the codes will be displayed on the odometer and will show which computer's codes is being displayed.

For the 1990 and 1991 Corvette, the modules are Module "1", the CCM computer and module "4", the ECM module.

For 1992 and 1993, an additional module, module "7", the ABS (Anti-Lock Brake System) and ASR (Automatic Slip Regulation System) codes will be displayed.

The codes will show up for three seconds each and once all codes have been displayed, the speedometer will show three dashes. You can either turn the ignition off for five seconds and then back on to repeat the process or turn the ignition off and remove the short to restore normal operation.

Sequenced Code Recovery - 1994 through 1996:

In 1994, Chevrolet went to a 16 pin ALDL connector in preparation for the federally mandated change to the much more capable OBD-II (On Board Diagnostics - Version 2) system.

As with the 1990-1993 model, you can display codes on the speedometer but the pins to be shorted are different:



Beginning in 1994, you short pin "12" to pin "4" and once again turn the ignition switch to "On" without starting the engine.

The speedometer will display any codes using the same protocol as the 1990-1993 model but there are some changes in the designation for the modules plus additional modules are added:

Module "1" is still the CCM module.

Module "4" is now called the PCM module (Powertrain Control Module) because automatic transmission computer control was added to Engine Control Module in 1994.

Module 7 (on the 1996 model only) is the RTD module. (This is the Real Time Dampening module which replaced the Selective Ride Control module in 1996).

Module 9 is the ABS/ASR module number from 1994 through 1996.

Finally, Module "A", the DERM (Dynamic Energy Control Module --- the air bag control module) will be requested to show any codes.

Just like the 1990-1993 display, you read the codes on the speedometer and read the module number on the trip odometer.

Again, you can cause the codes to repeat by turning the ignition off for five seconds and then back on.

Turn the ignition off and remove the short to restore normal operation.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 12:47 AM
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Ask and you shall receive...Good luck.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CG77VETTE
How do trouble codes display? I did the paper clip jumper on my '86 L98 in order to diagnose a constant SES condition. I see the code 12 which is one flash followed by two flashes. Are any stored codes displayed as a series of flashes or do you see the actual number displayed? The only thing I see is the SES flashing 6 consecurive times. Thanks for any help.
Just as the code 12 flashed....one flash..pause..two flashes, the other codes show up the same. You say 6 consecutive flashes, did you mean....three flashes..pause..three flashes? It's not hard once you can read the flash.pause.flash.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:42 AM
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Holy Crap! Code 33 has morphed into six consecutive flashes? When it displays 3 times, that's ..... that's 666

Code 33 Hell is bad enough and now this?!!

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Thanks for all the help guys. I gave up trying to decode the flashes and took her to my mechanic to read the codes with a scanner. It turns out that the scanner read a code 33 MAF sensor. I'll be installing one tomorrow. Since I have the burnoff relays in stock too, should I replace those as well? Actually, I was wondering if I should replace the relays first and see if that solves the problem. What do you guys think?
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:56 PM
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Do you have a FSM? Before I started replacing items, it would be a good idea to find out what it causing the code. It could be as simple as a bad connection or a grounded circuit. If you replaced the MAF, power, and burnoff relays and the code still existed, I bet you would feel sick, I know I would. My suggestion is if you don't have a FSM, pm Agent86 and ask him for the troubleshooting page for the Code 33. You will end up, coming out on top. Good luck
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RRT vette
Do you have a FSM? Before I started replacing items, it would be a good idea to find out what it causing the code. It could be as simple as a bad connection or a grounded circuit. If you replaced the MAF, power, and burnoff relays and the code still existed, I bet you would feel sick, I know I would. My suggestion is if you don't have a FSM, pm Agent86 and ask him for the troubleshooting page for the Code 33. You will end up, coming out on top. Good luck
I found the page for trouble shooting the code 33 in my FSM and I will take your advice and go through the trouble shooting procedures. It would be a waste simply throwing parts at the problem. The only problem I can foresee is that I'm "Electronically Challenged" (an AZZ) when it comes to electronics. But I will give it a go and I'll post my results.
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Originally Posted by CG77VETTE
I found the page for trouble shooting the code 33 in my FSM and I will take your advice and go through the trouble shooting procedures. It would be a waste simply throwing parts at the problem. The only problem I can foresee is that I'm "Electronically Challenged" (an AZZ) when it comes to electronics. But I will give it a go and I'll post my results.
Good, all the tools you will need are paperclip, test light, voltmeter, and a jumper wire. If you have these, it should be a piece of cake. Just read over it a few times before you start, so that you can get familiar with how it works. Then just go step by step until you have to replace/fix something.
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