vindication!!!!!
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From: port charlotte fl
vindication!!!!!
I got beat up so bad a few weeks back when I took exception to a claim about callaways sledgehammer and it's 254.???top end.The discussion was all about which you would prefer-callaway or lingenfelter.I have a lingenfelter and disputed the callaway claim and got murdered.Anyway just got birthday present from wifey-John Lingenfelters book.Turns out he built the damn engine that went in the car and drove it but couldn't do the return within the hour so no record.Apparently his favorite was a 298mph firebird that he never cracked the 300 with.
Great guy and I'm sure we all miss him.
And I quote ;"what you feel when you hit the throttle isn't horsepower,it's torque.Torque is what accelerates a car.Horsepower is merely torque over time(rpm) Increasing torque within useable rev range builds monsters".
Interestingly he talks a lot about keeping the shifts in the torque power band rather than the higher rpm/bhp band.Point I was trying to make on another thread.
Fantastic read for anyone interested in small block chevs.
Great guy and I'm sure we all miss him.
And I quote ;"what you feel when you hit the throttle isn't horsepower,it's torque.Torque is what accelerates a car.Horsepower is merely torque over time(rpm) Increasing torque within useable rev range builds monsters".
Interestingly he talks a lot about keeping the shifts in the torque power band rather than the higher rpm/bhp band.Point I was trying to make on another thread.
Fantastic read for anyone interested in small block chevs.
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lingenfelter was certainly a guru, and he did build some impressive motors. While torque IS what you feel and is what moves the weight of the car, that doesn't always mean that a car will et well at the drag strip. I prefer a balance of the two numbers so that it becomes a more useable power band. There are MANY ways to get to the same place, turbos, NO2, FI, big inches etc., pick your poison.
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I got beat up so bad a few weeks back when I took exception to a claim about callaways sledgehammer and it's 254.???top end.The discussion was all about which you would prefer-callaway or lingenfelter.I have a lingenfelter and disputed the callaway claim and got murdered.Anyway just got birthday present from wifey-John Lingenfelters book.Turns out he built the damn engine that went in the car and drove it but couldn't do the return within the hour so no record.
Thats ridculous. Please explain the logic in that. The truth is that yes LPE built some motors for the car but according to Callaway they trashed them all on the dyno. A Callaway motor made the run with John driving the car.
Im not really sure how LPE is so sure it was their motor in the car. They are so notoriously bad for keeping records on what they build I guarantee they dont even have the numbers on the blocks of the handful of motors they built for the project. Im sure they didn't stamp them either. So how would they know?
Callaway on the other hand keeps records like a museam. Everything thing they've ever sold to a customer or done to a car is kept on record.
What is this back up run? The record was set at 254.76mph.
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Lingenfelter or Callaway, either way you have a BADASS CORVETTE.
There was a thread a long time ago about Lingenfelter vs Callaway and the guys from Callaway posted as did guys from Lingenfelter. First class from both sides, no bashing. There's more than one way to skin a cat as they say and these two companies both had no problem getting the job done. I drove a Lingenfelter C5 and WOW !!!! It made my car feel like a pregnant moped
Callaway has made some WILD looking cars
where I THINK the Lingenfelter cars were always very close to stock appearing. 2 different aproaches and both very cool.
There was a thread a long time ago about Lingenfelter vs Callaway and the guys from Callaway posted as did guys from Lingenfelter. First class from both sides, no bashing. There's more than one way to skin a cat as they say and these two companies both had no problem getting the job done. I drove a Lingenfelter C5 and WOW !!!! It made my car feel like a pregnant moped
Callaway has made some WILD looking cars where I THINK the Lingenfelter cars were always very close to stock appearing. 2 different aproaches and both very cool.
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vidicated of what? Reality?
So b/c you have a Lingenfelter car you automatically assume he's right and Callaway is lying? Thats ridculous. Please explain the logic in that.
The truth is that yes LPE built some motors for the car but according to Callaway they trashed them all on the dyno. A Callaway motor made the run with John driving the car.
Im not really sure how LPE is so sure it was their motor in the car. They are so notoriously bad for keeping records on what they build I guarantee they dont even have the numbers on the blocks of the handful of motors they built for the project. Im sure they didn't stamp them either. So how would they know?
Callaway on the other hand keeps records like a museam. Everything thing they've ever sold to a customer or done to a car is kept on record.
What is this back up run? The record was set at 254.76mph.
Thats ridculous. Please explain the logic in that. The truth is that yes LPE built some motors for the car but according to Callaway they trashed them all on the dyno. A Callaway motor made the run with John driving the car.
Im not really sure how LPE is so sure it was their motor in the car. They are so notoriously bad for keeping records on what they build I guarantee they dont even have the numbers on the blocks of the handful of motors they built for the project. Im sure they didn't stamp them either. So how would they know?
Callaway on the other hand keeps records like a museam. Everything thing they've ever sold to a customer or done to a car is kept on record.
What is this back up run? The record was set at 254.76mph.
It was not a Lingenfelter engine anymore in the Sledgehammer. The two that he built did not last during testing and were not useable.
That is the fact of the matter, from the builder of the car many years ago.
Also, I just reviewed my hand signed copy of the book you are quoting from, but could not find the part about the "but couldn't do the return within the hour so no record" statment. Do you have a page number I might find this on?
