Question about FSMs
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Burning Brakes
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Question about FSMs
I know that I need to get a FSM set, the two manual set with red covers, produced by Helm. However, I went to their website and it looks like they print it when you order it and send it looseleaf. But it also said something about not including any wiring diagrams, because they are not reproducible.
Has anyone ordered this print-on-demand set from Helm? Is it really missing the wiring diagrams? If so, how important are the missing parts?
Has anyone ordered this print-on-demand set from Helm? Is it really missing the wiring diagrams? If so, how important are the missing parts?
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This is what you want, but RED cover.
You can see that it's clearly marked on the front of the WHITE cover FSMs that it is to be replaced by the final editions.
2 Books. Up to '86 it was all in One book (maybe '87).
One Service Manual, and One Electrical Supplement that will have RED covers.
Keep looking.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-...spagenameZWDVW
You can see that it's clearly marked on the front of the WHITE cover FSMs that it is to be replaced by the final editions.
2 Books. Up to '86 it was all in One book (maybe '87).
One Service Manual, and One Electrical Supplement that will have RED covers.
Keep looking.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-...spagenameZWDVW
Last edited by xCCTer; Mar 12, 2008 at 01:47 AM.
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Burning Brakes
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This supposedly includes books 1 and 2 for $105.
Drifting
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Bought the FSM for my 87 off of ebay. It was 3 soft bound books. The 3rd was the electrical troubleshooting supplement. I paid around $50.
Your skill level will determine how useful the FSM will be to you. I didn't even know where a lot of the stuff was, so the FSM might as well have been in Chinese for all the good it did me. I bought a Hayne's, it's written for guys like me. Now I can go to the FSM and have some of the familiarity that the FSM assumes the reader posseses.
Your skill level will determine how useful the FSM will be to you. I didn't even know where a lot of the stuff was, so the FSM might as well have been in Chinese for all the good it did me. I bought a Hayne's, it's written for guys like me. Now I can go to the FSM and have some of the familiarity that the FSM assumes the reader posseses.
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No electrical? Since when?
I just bought a set for my '90 ZR-1 (90% of which is std '90 C4 Vette) from Ekler's. It came in 3 (loose leaf) volumes including an electrical volume.
I never heard anything about the electrical diagrams being "non-reproducible"...Since when? (I wanna say!) If that is so, it is w/in the last couple months, I guess.
As for the "Red vs white" copies I could be wrong, but I suspect now days it has more to do with the supplier running out of the original bound "red" cover copies and now is printing them (loose leaf) from disc instead. In any case, considering my 3 volumes for the '90 are about a foot thick, including the separate electrical volume, AND they included the revised pages in a separate section (amounting to about 20 total pages), I doubt I'm missing much of anything. (Actually, I like the loose leaf binding better. I can easily pull a page out to make a "working copy" to take w/ me to the garage and not mess up the original or have to drag the entire volume along...Just a thought.)
P.
I never heard anything about the electrical diagrams being "non-reproducible"...Since when? (I wanna say!) If that is so, it is w/in the last couple months, I guess.
As for the "Red vs white" copies I could be wrong, but I suspect now days it has more to do with the supplier running out of the original bound "red" cover copies and now is printing them (loose leaf) from disc instead. In any case, considering my 3 volumes for the '90 are about a foot thick, including the separate electrical volume, AND they included the revised pages in a separate section (amounting to about 20 total pages), I doubt I'm missing much of anything. (Actually, I like the loose leaf binding better. I can easily pull a page out to make a "working copy" to take w/ me to the garage and not mess up the original or have to drag the entire volume along...Just a thought.)
P.
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Bought the FSM for my 87 off of ebay. It was 3 soft bound books. The 3rd was the electrical troubleshooting supplement. I paid around $50.
Your skill level will determine how useful the FSM will be to you. I didn't even know where a lot of the stuff was, so the FSM might as well have been in Chinese for all the good it did me. I bought a Hayne's, it's written for guys like me. Now I can go to the FSM and have some of the familiarity that the FSM assumes the reader posseses.
Your skill level will determine how useful the FSM will be to you. I didn't even know where a lot of the stuff was, so the FSM might as well have been in Chinese for all the good it did me. I bought a Hayne's, it's written for guys like me. Now I can go to the FSM and have some of the familiarity that the FSM assumes the reader posseses.
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This is what you want, but RED cover.
You can see that it's clearly marked on the front of the WHITE cover FSMs that it is to be replaced by the final editions.
2 Books. Up to '86 it was all in One book (maybe '87).
One Service Manual, and One Electrical Supplement that will have RED covers.
Keep looking.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-...spagenameZWDVW
You can see that it's clearly marked on the front of the WHITE cover FSMs that it is to be replaced by the final editions.
2 Books. Up to '86 it was all in One book (maybe '87).
One Service Manual, and One Electrical Supplement that will have RED covers.
Keep looking.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-...spagenameZWDVW
