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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 08:27 PM
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Ok......I don't know about your town but here in Chattanooga things have gotten out of hand with red light and speed cameras.You know, the remote unmaned camera that takes a photo of your car if you beat a yellow or ...........speed!They're puttin' them up every where. I know I know it's for our safty! So far I haven't got tagged but...I've got 2 teenagers that drive and it's like death and taxes....bound to happen! My thought was to purchase some of this spray on for my tags. It's suppose to be undetectable with the naked eye but once a photo is shot it produces a glare that makes your tag number unreadable. Anyone here ever used anything like that? Thanks all.
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 08:43 PM
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How about not running through the light after it turns red?

Not sure about your state, but most are set up to only catch the ones blowing through a red light. If you look at the intersection, you'll see a white line panted just as you enter.
That is the cutoff line and as long as the light is NOT red when you cross that line you should be ok. At least in Missouri, going through a "yellow" light will not get you a ticket.

Also, those intersection cameras do nothing to catch you speeding. They are for red light runners only.

And I am all for nailing every one of those jerks that blow through a red light. Just think, it might be one of your teenagers sitting at the intersection waiting to go the other way.

As for your question, I think Myth Busters did some tests on that stuff, and found out for the most part it didn't work so well.
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 08:43 PM
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Ok......I don't know about your town but here in Chattanooga things have gotten out of hand with red light and speed cameras.You know, the remote unmaned camera that takes a photo of your car if you beat a yellow or ...........speed!They're puttin' them up every where. I know I know it's for our safty! So far I haven't got tagged but...I've got 2 teenagers that drive and it's like death and taxes....bound to happen! My thought was to purchase some of this spray on for my tags. It's suppose to be undetectable with the naked eye but once a photo is shot it produces a glare that makes your tag number unreadable. Anyone here ever used anything like that? Thanks all.
Mythbusters did a segment on many products currently available on the market today (including the spray you mention) intended to beat the Red Light Camera and NONE OF THEM WORKED. Obey the law, it's your only solution to avoid being caught. Otherwise, send me $40 and I'll send you a can of Non-Stick Spray, which is likely what you'll be buying anyway. Furthermore, it's illegal to attempt to obstruct your license plate from view.
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 08:53 PM
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One method worked with the speed camera. It was the dragster that blew by the camera at about 230 mph. The camera was unable to get the car in the pic.
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RollaMo-LT4
Also, those intersection cameras do nothing to catch you speeding. They are for red light runners only.
We have cameras here that catch you speeding. There set up in the intersections and in the school zones.
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RollaMo-LT4
Also, those intersection cameras do nothing to catch you speeding.
In my town of Beaverton, Oregon, the police park camera vans at random locations that catch speeders. It's always been my fantasy to paint the windows flat black, but I'd get caught I sure don't want to go back to the joint (just kidding).
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 12:04 AM
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I recently did some websurfing regarding redlight cameras. They are becoming a news item in central Fla.. One thing you must know is that safety is way down the list as a justification for these devices. The top items on the list (in order) are:
1. money
2. money
3. money
4.-10 and beyond, money.

There are ways to cut down on red light running that do not involve ticketing/revenue harvesting. There are ways to reduce the hazards involved with red light running that do not involve ticketing/revenue harvesting. But in states such as Florida that has no state income tax these cameras (and speed traps) are a license to print money.

These cameras are installed by private companies. They get a cut of each ticket, and the rest goes to the local authority. It seems that these companies have allegedly been playing with the yellow light duration on camera controlled intersections to pump up the profits.
The legality of these cameras is a topic of debate among civil libertarians and governments.

If they were so worried about our safety they would have it so that the local authority did not get a percentage of any traffic citation. Let public safety be the only reason that they write tickets and you would see the polizia lose interest in zealous tactics like this. And no, I haven't received a ticket for running a red light. I just don't like being 'big brothered'. I like it even less when they 'bs' me as to why.
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Revenue generator.
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Just seen in the news yesterday one of our red light cameras in the downtown district was changing from yellow to red too quickly. One of the judges had the traffic engeneers investigate and found it to be true.So the city refunded 179 citizens their $50!
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The license plate cover works, but in NJ it is illegal to put anything over your license plate.

I still think a retractable brick wall should raise out of the ground at redlights.
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Oh, I agree with everyone that they are revenue generators. And most if not all are installed and operated by private companies.

But the bottom line is, if you don't go through the red light you will not be ticketed.
Maybe I am just naive, because I have never received a ticket I didn't deserve. Maybe the times have changed.

I know I'd hate to be the one sitting at an intersection and have my light turn green, only to get slammed as I proceed though my green light intersection.
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RollaMo-LT4
Oh, I agree with everyone that they are revenue generators. And most if not all are installed and operated by private companies.

But the bottom line is, if you don't go through the red light you will not be ticketed.
Maybe I am just naive, because I have never received a ticket I didn't deserve. Maybe the times have changed.

I know I'd hate to be the one sitting at an intersection and have my light turn green, only to get slammed as I proceed though my green light intersection.
here in Jersey, they say that green means go when clear, not just go. So if someone runs a redlight as you proceed through your green, you could be blamed for the accident.

At UPS, they teach us to look left right left at all intersections, keep one car length from h estop line and count off 1-2-3 before proceeding. This pisses off everyone behind you, but at least you won't get nailed by the jerkoff who floors it at the yellow when it turns red.

I'm lucky to only have one traffic light on my route and I know the yellow is 5 seconds and I have a point on the road that is my commit point. If I'm past the point, I know I can make the light, but if I'm before it, I know I'll have to stop when the yellow appears.
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:21 AM
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Around Atlanta it seems about every moron on the highway, and there are a lot of them, run thru the yellows and reds. Like Mojo said you can't jump and go on a green until you have looked first.
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Originally Posted by All2kool
Mythbusters did a segment on many products currently available on the market today (including the spray you mention) intended to beat the Red Light Camera and NONE OF THEM WORKED. Obey the law, it's your only solution to avoid being caught. Otherwise, send me $40 and I'll send you a can of Non-Stick Spray, which is likely what you'll be buying anyway. Furthermore, it's illegal to attempt to obstruct your license plate from view.


You will probably get a ticket quicker by trying some of the "tricks" to hide your plates. Most states have made those devices illegal and it will be a flag for any LEO that is out to find motorists with them installed.

Red light cameras are probably the one thing that I can agree with. I See too many idiots running a red light and in many instances, it's people talking on a cell phone when they run the light. That is inattention to driving and you can bet that they are noting more than accidents waiting to happen.

Maybe some see them as revenue generators but if you check to see just how much the city gets from the private companies running these systems, it's typically way less than half of the ticket amount.

Most cities and counties simply can't afford to station a car or motor officer at intersections where red ligt running is an issue. And an LEO could only catch 10% of them at any time because of the time involved in a face-to-face trffic stop.

And it's always a commisioned LEO in that jurisdiction that makes the final decision to issue a camera ticket, not the company or an automated ticket writing system.

I drive for a living and I see way too many people running reds. It's simply a matter of time before one of these idiots cause an accident that results in some nasty injuries.
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I was watching the news last night and in Montgomery County Maryland they have Speed Camera's. It seems several Police Cars(Marked Cruisers) have had citations written by the camera system. The Officers driving the cars say the law says the ticket is issued to the owner of the vehicle, the County should pay the fine and are refusing to pay.
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I believe that anything the government tells you that involves the transfer of your money from your pocket to their pocket should be subjected to the most intense scrutiny as to why. To not question this is indeed naive.

No one wants to get in an accident anywhere including intersections. But are drivers that are being ticketed in this manner really all that much of a motoring hazard? Consider how late such a motorist would have to enter the intersection and how quick off the line the green lighters would have to be in order to create a collision.

There are lots of close calls, but in the course of daily driving in any city, close calls happen in many different scenarios. Enforcement is necessary but education and engineering are more effective preventions. Unfortunately they cost money, enforcement generates money.

We have all inadvertently gone through a red light. We are human and stuff happens. Traffic enforcement is predicated upon you being perfect all the time. Deviate from perfection and you are subject to being ticketed if observed. At least if you are pulled over by a cop you can explain the reason for your atrocity and maybe justify not getting a citation. With a camera you don't even receive the ticket until that entire day is a blur ...........and you have to go to court to contest it. They count on you not being willing to go to all the trouble of doing that.

I'm all in favor of anything that legitimately makes the road safer for everyone. When government and private industry climb into bed together to make it happen, the safety of the motoring public is a distant third on the priority list. Somebody has to fund it all. Unless you are a perfect driver, you will be that someone.
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These red light cameras are pure BS and have nothing to do with safety but getting money from citizens. Period.

This is no better evidenced by all the police in Maryland who decided they aren't paying the fines.

The idea of the ticket is to punish the person committing the crime. To send a ticket to the vehicle owner is a load of crap. It's nothing but a money making scheme and there is no argument that can be made otherwise.

Cities have gone through the exercise in commissioning studies to determine what traffic signal timing would result in the most tickets, meaning REVENUE. If this were about safety they'd study what light timing gets the LEAST tickets, wouldn't they?

Surrender all your rights to the benevolent government to save the children.. Dam lemmings.

This entire practice should be rendered unconstitutional.

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I was watching the news last night and in Montgomery County Maryland they have Speed Camera's. It seems several Police Cars(Marked Cruisers) have had citations written by the camera system. The Officers driving the cars say the law says the ticket is issued to the owner of the vehicle, the County should pay the fine and are refusing to pay.
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Around Atlanta it seems about every moron on the highway, and there are a lot of them, run thru the yellows and reds. Like Mojo said you can't jump and go on a green until you have looked first.
This must apply to the whole state of Georgia. Red light running is ridiculous here! Look both ways before you proceed. I have had countless close calls with the light in my favor! Get in the area of a Walmart and it gets really dangerous! All those people in a rush to get into the store to buy a bunch of crap from china! Local cop friend tells me that they average 3 red light accidents a day at the light at the "new" Walmart Supercenter. What is it about that store? I visit Walmart maybe once a year and after looking at the zombies walking around the store, it amazes me that the can get licenses! Yeah, it is not Walmarts fault but there is something about people rushing around trying to get too much done in a short period of time.
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It seems that these companies have allegedly been playing with the yellow light duration on camera controlled intersections to pump up the profits.
How is it that a private company has access to the Traffic Control System at any given intersection?
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