Now why can't they give us straight gas and e85 and let the market decide which one we want.

 

For all who are curious....
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp

 

I think its the same reason we can't decide if we want a catalytic converter or not. Some people, some where believe it's better for all of us...possibility a long-term move toward elimination of all gasoline-powered vehicles.

Plus, you can run low(er) percentage ethanol in gasoline engines. E85 requires a different setup. Choice of fuel would require a different choice of car.

Doesn't mean I don't get your point though.

 

Should have mentioned the story appeared in USA Today. I have found their accuracy and reliability to be top notch.

 

Those damn A- Holes that control all of us in Washington.
E15 may ***...............

Run Methanol alcohol.............
I will show you pollution.
Water your eyes & choke on the unburnt Meth fuel.
LOL
Fly fast forward though till the tank runs dry quick.

 

What I was trying to express is we should be measureing poluteants in mass per unit of distance traveled for over the road and mass per unit of time for idle tests. It is a much more valid way to compare results. You can com up with various ways to diltute polutants when measureing them in parts per million by just having more of the millions with the same amount of polutantant. That does not change the mass amount of the polutant but does make the parts per million read better on the way we currently measure it.

The problem for the car builders is a straight mass measurement will at some point limit the amount of fuel you can burn and the amount of power that can be produced and no way to enforce it on previously certified vehicles. Possibly some looser standards for cars that get mileage above some thresholds like 50 and 70 mpg is the answer because at those figures you are burning half as much fuel as current cars do now.

Politicians vote on 1 issue at a time with no amendments and riders and other deals that would be the day and bet the last time might have been the bill or rights..LOL

No matter who the newscaster TV is funded by advertising and does limit the scope of what and who whey blow the whistle on, it is a fact of life in the end.

We actually have 2 problems to solve that are directly linked to each other, polution and energy cost and supply. Our current solution is tomake the engine less effecient to solve the poluttion problem and try to address the supply problem with alternate fuels. That unfortunately puts a burden on supply and cost with a secondary burned on our food supply actually the world food supply. Even worse it depletes the farmland that will eventually come to haunt us at some point in time too.

Dave

 

Ok, Who else has 16 injectors in their engine, I think I got ripped off.....WW

 

Did you happen to pick up a newspaper thats a year old?You want current info join the Sema Action Network,everything you want to know is right there,its free.From what I understand this has been put on hold until it can be establashed the effects on older cars.

 

If he has a ZR-1, then yes

 

http://www.zr1netregistry.com/ZR1_about.htm

http://www.zr1netregistry.com/ZR1_faq.htm


so to answer your question, the original king of the hill

 

Thank God, I was out looking at my car trying to figure out how to get 8 more in......WW

 

In Central Wisconsin, they label our "premium grade" (91 or 93) as "contains no ethanol"

Most of the pumps have "contains 10% ethanol" on the midgrade and low grade

 

Before you start spouting crap you might have done a little more reading
The U.S. House of Representatives has approved a provision to prevent the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) from using agency funds to permit an increase in the amount of ethanol content in gasoline to 15% (E15). The provision is part of a larger bill to fund the federal government during fiscal year 2011 which must also be approved by the U.S. Senate. The SEMA Action Network (SAN) requested this action and worked hard to secure the vote. When signed into law by President Obama, this timely legislation will protect automotive enthusiasts and consumers from misfueling and other unnecessary harm.

On behalf of millions of auto enthusiasts across the country, SAN applauds the House of Representatives for acknowledging the need for more unbiased and independent testing on the impact of E15 on vehicles and engines. The provision suspends EPA?s premature efforts to permit E15 in the marketplace in fiscal year 2011. The SAN is now working to help pass a newly introduced bill (HR 748) to repeal the EPA E15 program altogether.

The SAN will continue to take proactive steps in Washington, D.C. to oppose E15 until there are conclusive scientific findings that demonstrate that it will not harm automobiles of any age as a result of corrosion or other chemical incompatibilities.

Please forward this Alert to your fellow car enthusiasts. Urge them to join the SAN and help defend the hobby! Thank you for your assistance.

 

All grades here in Wi. Even premium..at lease here where I live. We have two stations in town that still sell real gas. and they are packed everyday.

 

Jeff: Thanks for setting me straight. I came across the article in USA Today and put it up for some discussion. I did not realize I was "spouting crap". I found it interesting and apparently so did other forum members but it is great to have someone to "set the record" straight.

 

You show far more class than the So Cal snob, gusgus. He's not a good spokesperson for the movement, my opinion. I'm sure his involvement made all the difference.

 

My apologies gusgus for coming off little harsh.This was beat to death when it was first proposed and to hear that it WAS back on the table when in fact it wasn't set me off.stoydido,if your referring to me I live in Norcal,get it right nOOb.

 

We can still get 100 percent gas here in Oklahoma. I believe most of it is refined down the street from me at the old Sinclair refinery now owned by Holley.

 

Toyota Chrysler and GM made it clear in the news today that if 15% is used in there cars it may void the warranties..Now lets see what the government does with this wrench thrown in there gears....WW

http://consumerist.com/2011/07/gm-ch...arranties.html

 

I do not think our elected officials (who probably never liked math and science, thus very likey are technologically challenged) do not care as long as they keep getting payed obscene amounts of money.

My fuel economy dropped suddenly in all 3 of my vehicles a week or so ago. I asked some friends. They have experienced the same 3-4% drop. Have our honest leaders spiked the fuel?

I drive my C5 to work and it's a pretty long comute. I just fuelled it up Friday morning - first time in a while. The fuel guage dropped a lot faster than it used to. This is not validated, but I keep full fuel logs and track every time I fill up. I guess its time to graph my data and see what the hard data reveals is happening to my mpg.......

Anyone else notice the normal commute requires more fuel stops than it use to just a month ago?