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Old Apr 4, 2017 | 11:48 AM
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1) c5's are a joke arent they?...other than the LS1 its a Cavalier with a big motor and suspension (same window switches, same seat switches, same stereo, same climate control switches ect ect ect you get my point...not to mention ugly design

2) there's nothing "wrong" with a late model C4

3) maybe not all of us can afford a $25k toy?

Now my next car will be a C6 so i cant argue that but to assume C4's are bad because there's 3 later generations is pretty darn ignorant but i suppose even the corvette forums (maybe "especially" the corvette forums) there's people that always need the newest, biggest, brightest toy...possibly lacking in other areas of their life or dare i say anatomy?

anyways the Op was asking an honest question and deserved an honest response, not some tool with tiny genitals trying to get his daily quota of belittling.

sorry op...i came here because i'm going to do that to my 95 at some point, thought i'd get some solid info but guess not


Just my recommendation, so instead you belittle me? Please say on topic and stop the personal attacks. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Cool Runnings
Just my recommendation, so instead you belittle me? Please say on topic and stop the personal attacks. Thank you.
you can speak your mind, but i cant speak mine? great job (wheres the golf clap emoji)
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Just my recommendation, so instead you belittle me? Please say on topic and stop the personal attacks. Thank you.

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Just my recommendation, so instead you belittle me? Please say on topic and stop the personal attacks. Thank you.
The ONLY thing you are adding to this thread is getting it bump to the top so others can contribute to this topic....other than that....Why?
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Originally Posted by vette196
The reason for a tune would be for pulling all the emissions stuff off and changing the rear from 2.59 to 3.07...for speedo reasons I might speed match with another car...unless I can just change the speedo gear.


Looks like the Melrose headers are the way to go
Make sure you don't need it for inspection. We moved to someplace that required inspection. Fortunately, my car was old enough to be exempt. What are you removing? AIR doesn't need it, does it? EGR, probably. My gas tank canister "fell off".

IDK. How are they? Are they ceramic coated? How is the install for them? How easy to get to stuff once they are installed? Just curious
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Originally Posted by mark970
1) c5's are a joke arent they?...other than the LS1 its a Cavalier with a big motor and suspension (same window switches, same seat switches, same stereo, same climate control switches ect ect ect you get my point...not to mention ugly design

2) there's nothing "wrong" with a late model C4

3) maybe not all of us can afford a $25k toy?

Now my next car will be a C6 so i cant argue that but to assume C4's are bad because there's 3 later generations is pretty darn ignorant but i suppose even the corvette forums (maybe "especially" the corvette forums) there's people that always need the newest, biggest, brightest toy...

possibly lacking in other areas of their life or dare i say anatomy?

anyways the Op was asking an honest question and deserved an honest response, not some tool with tiny genitals trying to get his daily quota of belittling.

sorry op...i came here because i'm going to do that to my 95 at some point, thought i'd get some solid info but guess not
Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. Besides, I am buying a platform to move fast not win a beauty show. YMMV.

Besides parts being more scarce and having to cannibalize from junkyards and less and less people want to tune them when you do mods and a shrinking pool of mods? No, nothing wrong.

How much are used C5 and C6 going for again?

Sorry but 96 is 20 years old. It isn't even "yesterday's news". It's way past that. In Merry Old England, it wouldn't even be used to wrap fish and chips. It would have long been recycled. 20 years ago, you were king. Good for you. That was then, this is now.

Glad you mentioned that. So you been checking up corvette guy's anatomy much? Do they pay you or do you do it for fun? You do know that outside the corvette world, they do say that about corvette owners, right? So if your idea has truth, so does their's. You making up for a 2 inch problem then?

Again, how do you know that? You check out guys you consider belittling for a "little problem" and came up with an average or did you just fantasize that they do?

Why? Because the Long Tube headers make you feel better about your shorties?

Edit: This kinda talk makes me think of the sitcom Married With Children. Al Bundy to be specific. Often thinking about the days when he was the star Fullback when today, he is a shoe salesman. Sorry if it hurts but you had your time in the sun. That day is OVER. End of discussion. You were king back then. That don't mean squat today. Back then, everyone kissed your ***. Today, you are a homeless bum at the shelter. Things change. At least have the grace to accept it and acknowledge the new king who will someday be in the same position as prescribed by time.

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Make sure you don't need it for inspection. We moved to someplace that required inspection. Fortunately, my car was old enough to be exempt. What are you removing? AIR doesn't need it, does it? EGR, probably. My gas tank canister "fell off".

IDK. How are they? Are they ceramic coated? How is the install for them? How easy to get to stuff once they are installed? Just curious
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I've seen two or three LT1s & 4s at car shows that had Melrose headers on them and they all looked like they were really made for the car rather than adapted like many other brands. The owners all said they were no problem to install and the fit with the rest of the exhaust was perfect

I'm in NJ...once I get a code cleared (Opti-spark) I will get it inspected (2yr) and worry about it after that, I'll be close to the "antique car" status and then no emissions. You can get them ceramic coated (additional $190)

Long story short: I wanted to do the LE2 package and was supposed to have it on the lift at my friend's shop for the winter, but that was delayed. So we are redoing our kitchen and the wife had a great idea...while you're gutting the kitchen and we have a dumpster, why not do the bathroom as well(boy that tile is expensive...LOL )

So we affectionately call it the Lloyd Elliott bathroom

So why should the wife spend all the money....I'll do the LE2 package next year(maybe), but in the meantime do some of the supporting mods like headers and a torque converter(i'll start a new thread for that)
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Old Apr 4, 2017 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by vette196
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I've seen two or three LT1s & 4s at car shows that had Melrose headers on them and they all looked like they were really made for the car rather than adapted like many other brands. The owners all said they were no problem to install and the fit with the rest of the exhaust was perfect

I'm in NJ...once I get a code cleared (Opti-spark) I will get it inspected (2yr) and worry about it after that, I'll be close to the "antique car" status and then no emissions. You can get them ceramic coated (additional $190)

Long story short: I wanted to do the LE2 package and was supposed to have it on the lift at my friend's shop for the winter, but that was delayed. So we are redoing our kitchen and the wife had a great idea...while you're gutting the kitchen and we have a dumpster, why not do the bathroom as well(boy that tile is expensive...LOL )

So we affectionately call it the Lloyd Elliott bathroom

So why should the wife spend all the money....I'll do the LE2 package next year(maybe), but in the meantime do some of the supporting mods like headers and a torque converter(i'll start a new thread for that)
Yes but how is it to get at AFTER install? Can you get at all the plugs easy? Just in case I might have to get a set, I'm curious. Reason is that I change plugs every year along with cap and rotor.

Is that how it is in NJ? IDK. I was in Dane County and never had to do emissions. Move to Washington County and it's an inspection. Same state. Just curious.

She gets a kitchen and a crapper, you get heads. I think you made out good.

IDK about the Torque Converter. How good is the trans? I wouldn't want to put a good converter in front of a trans that might die soon and crap all into the converter. Still, I'd get a Precision Industries one. They have a 1 year free restall. That means if your trans dies in the meantime, they will cut it apart and clean it up for you.
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OBX fitment issues are BS.. my OBXs fit just right and are a good set of pipes. Theres no reason to drop $1000+ on a set of LTs.
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OBX fitment issues are BS.. my OBXs fit just right and are a good set of pipes. Theres no reason to drop $1000+ on a set of LTs.
I'm looking at the website and they are 650. If they have the bosses for the brackets, how much more would it take to coat them?
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Originally Posted by vette196
The ONLY thing you are adding to this thread is getting it bump to the top so others can contribute to this topic....other than that....Why?


IT'S AN OLD CAR, IS IT WORTH PUTTING A BUNCH OF MONEY INTO IT FOR A SMALL RETURN? WAIT, SAVE, SELL THE OLD ONE AND BUY NEWER FASTER ONE. That's all I'm recommending. That's my plan......... make sense? That's all I was trying to portray.
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Originally Posted by Cool Runnings
IT'S AN OLD CAR, IS IT WORTH PUTTING A BUNCH OF MONEY INTO IT FOR A SMALL RETURN? WAIT, SAVE, SELL THE OLD ONE AND BUY NEWER FASTER ONE. That's all I'm recommending. That's my plan......... make sense? That's all I was trying to portray.
I agree. There are newer and better platforms to build on. When those get old, well, there is the new platform. Personally, my car is on maintenance. When it breaks enough, I will move up to a newer platform. As I said, the king is dead. Long live the king.
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I agree. There are newer and better platforms to build on. When those get old, well, there is the new platform. Personally, my car is on maintenance. When it breaks enough, I will move up to a newer platform. As I said, the king is dead. Long live the king.

Something else to think about. So you send all your money on mods, because you can't afford newer, then the tranny goes out, the opti- spark fails, it's needs a complete brake job. You spent all your money on go-faster mods. Now what do you do?


Just Sayin' (from an old guy).
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Originally Posted by Cool Runnings
Something else to think about. So you send all your money on mods, because you can't afford newer, then the tranny goes out, the opti- spark fails, it's needs a complete brake job. You spent all your money on go-faster mods. Now what do you do?


Just Sayin' (from an old guy).
There she sits until I get enough money to fix everything. My engine and transmission was from a totaled 91 F-body. Rear end was bought. Tuning was transferred over to the current EPROM. I recently did carpet and seats. Still, if my motor blows up, I'd probably be parting it out. Not going to be throwing in another 5000 to 7000 on the motor and install costs or doing it myself.

At some point you have to admit that it is a done deal
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There she sits until I get enough money to fix everything. My engine and transmission was from a totaled 91 F-body. Rear end was bought. Tuning was transferred over to the current EPROM. I recently did carpet and seats. Still, if my motor blows up, I'd probably be parting it out. Not going to be throwing in another 5000 to 7000 on the motor and install costs or doing it myself.

At some point you have to admit that it is a done deal


Sometimes you have to give up the ghost.
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^??^ I hope that's a joke. If the car provides the experience that you prefer, why would you ever...."upgrade"? And if it doesn't why have it at all? It simply costs in the interim and delays your ultimate goal; the C5 Corvette!


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My recommendation would be to update to a newer Corvette, why does that offend people?
Who got offended?

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I'm not offended, but I feel your answer has nothing to do with my question.
It is an 'out in left field" answer. "Any suggestions" was referring to "any header"...not likely "buy a new car".

Who said that "headers = C5 experience"? FYI, the "old car" will provide an experience that the new car can not, no matter how much you're willing to spend. So there is that. Headers also provide an experience outside of "more power".

You might consider actually trying to help the OP by suggesting "any" header. I'd likely go with Hooker Super comp or OBX headers, then have them coated.


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Originally Posted by Cool Runnings
Sometimes you have to give up the ghost.
Correct. I don't plan on sticking 5000 into a 2000 car. Like I said, motor would be 7 to 8 and that is what the car is worth so it is like you said, too much for too little

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^??^ I hope that's a joke. If the car provides the experience that you prefer, why would you ever...."upgrade"?

And if it doesn't why have it at all? It simply costs in the interim and delays your ultimate goal; the C5 Corvette!

"Any suggestions" was referring to "any header"...not likely "buy a new car".

Who said that "headers = C5 experience"? FYI, the "old car" will provide an experience that the new car can not, no matter how much you're willing to spend. So there is that. Headers also provide an experience outside of "more power".

You might consider actually trying to help the OP by suggesting "any" header. I'd likely go with Hooker Super comp or OBX headers, then have them coated.


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It provides a likeable experience but I had to modify it. That has gotten a lot of value. However, just because you had a good time doesn't mean that something better can't be around the next corner.

Because I am not married to the car? We had good times but morning is here and I am ready get out of the bed and onto the next conquest? Even if I get the latest copy, it too will get old and tired. Time will come for a change.

Here is another suggestion. Don't throw good money after bad.

I'm sure you can say hear that from owners of previous generations. Doesn't mean I believe a word of that tripe.

If I wouldn't do that today, why would I suggest someone else do it? Unless I didn't like them, that is.
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It provides a likeable experience but I had to modify it. That has gotten a lot of value. However, just because you had a good time doesn't mean that something better can't be around the next corner.

Because I am not married to the car? We had good times but morning is here and I am ready get out of the bed and onto the next conquest? Even if I get the latest copy, it too will get old and tired. Time will come for a change.

Here is another suggestion. Don't throw good money after bad.

I'm sure you can say hear that from owners of previous generations. Doesn't mean I believe a word of that tripe.

If I wouldn't do that today, why would I suggest someone else do it? Unless I didn't like them, that is.
I hear you. It all depends on where the value is found -and that is a personal thing. For some, value is having new/latest/greatest. For some it's having a show car/garage queen. It's a personal thing. As you've probably read, I had a C6....now I have a C4 and that was my choice. For me, the added performance of the C6 was of very little value; it didn't add to the experience in a perceivable way.

For ME if I want/need a "new car" a mod to my current car provides that new experience and renews the excitement, and strengthens the relationship. As we know, there are unlimited "improvement" or changes one can make to any car.

Regarding money (what a car is worth vs. money invested) modding all cars is a losing deal and buying a newer car to mod is even more so. It's a hobby, it costs money. It's not an investment. Forget about money, have/build the car you want and stick with it.

I had a Trans Am back when I was a dumb-dumb (young). I was very $$$ limited, but still, I managed to put 3 engines in it (305, 350 & a 400), 3 different trans', two rears, several brakes, two interiors, two whole stereo systems, I painted the car, wheels, suspension, subframes, on and on, The car was always changing and improving IMO. Every car I've had since was "better" and "worth more"....I've never loved another car or had as much pride as I did that one. Even my friends loved that car the most because as one friend put it, "That car was ALL YOU. It was the way it was, because you made it that way." He was right.


Something to think about before you sell a car you have invested in. I wish I still had that car.


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I hear you. It all depends on where the value is found -and that is a personal thing. For some, value is having new/latest/greatest. For some it's having a show car/garage queen. It's a personal thing. As you've probably read, I had a C6....now I have a C4 and that was my choice. For me, the added performance of the C6 was of very little value; it didn't add to the experience in a perceivable way.

For ME if I want/need a "new car" a mod to my current car provides that new experience and renews the excitement, and strengthens the relationship. As we know, there are unlimited "improvement" or changes one can make to any car.

Regarding money (what a car is worth vs. money invested) modding all cars is a losing deal and buying a newer car to mod is even more so. It's a hobby, it costs money. It's not an investment. Forget about money, have/build the car you want and stick with it.

I had a Trans Am back when I was a dumb-dumb (young). I was very $$$ limited, but still, I managed to put 3 engines in it (305, 350 & a 400), 3 different trans', two rears, several brakes, two interiors, two whole stereo systems, I painted the car, wheels, suspension, subframes, on and on, The car was always changing and improving IMO. Every car I've had since was "better" and "worth more"....I've never loved another car or had as much pride as I did that one. Even my friends loved that car the most because as one friend put it, "That car was ALL YOU. It was the way it was, because you made it that way." He was right.


Something to think about before you sell a car you have invested in. I wish I still had that car.


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Ability to modify is important to me because I am after the acceleration. For me, I like the car. I'm NOT in love with the car. As a friend once said, I'd be happy in a sealed down version of the weiner mobile if it took off like a bat out of hell compared to what I have.

You are limited by your wallet and reason. At some point, you will hit diminished returns.

I built the beginning can for now and ride it till sometime better come along. They are a simple friend with benefits. When the next better one comes along with bigger boots, I'd try hump it. Like I said, I'm not in love or married.

Don't know. Never felt that way about all my purchases. I own several guns. Other than the hunting guns, every guy is no more than 2 years old from the day of purchase. Kinda why I buy used when possible. Even hunting guns don't have more than 5 years before I change for the next one. Never had much of a sense of nostalgia myself.
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