Shop Experience
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Racer
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From: Volcano CA
Shop Experience
I’ve always done my own work. In my younger years, I was a mechanic at a local auto shop. That said, every time that I took my own car to a shop for work, more often than not, it ended in disappointment. Now that I’m not a spring chicken anymore, I still try to do as much of my own work as the body will allow.
Enter C4 LT1. I’ve been chasing oil leaks for the past year. I’ve done the intake, both oil senders, valve cover gaskets, all three seals on the front and also, the crank sensor o-ring. The only items NOT changed now are the rear main seal and the pan gasket.
I had the car on ramps for a while doing things under it and when I got to the pan decided, “I’m too old for this s—t.”, so I decided to have a shop do the pan gasket. Besides, it’s snowing. I’d rather be in front of the wood stove with a cocktail.
I got an acceptable quote from a reputable, local shop. Made the appointment and dropped it off at the agreed time. It was supposed to be done the next afternoon. There guy could start on it “first thing in the morning”.
About 2:30 the next day, phone rings. No, it wasn’t the “Your car is done” call. It was the upsell call.
Said my opti seal or water pump seal (they weren’t sure which) was leaking and they wouldn’t do the pan without doing the seals. I told them that you didn’t have to remove the timing cover to do the seals. I just changed them and they weren’t leaking as of two days ago. After a little while of arguing, I just went and picked up the car because they refused to change the pan gasket unless I approved an additional 800.00 worth of work.
I guess it’s going back up on the ramps after it warms up a bit.
Enter C4 LT1. I’ve been chasing oil leaks for the past year. I’ve done the intake, both oil senders, valve cover gaskets, all three seals on the front and also, the crank sensor o-ring. The only items NOT changed now are the rear main seal and the pan gasket.
I had the car on ramps for a while doing things under it and when I got to the pan decided, “I’m too old for this s—t.”, so I decided to have a shop do the pan gasket. Besides, it’s snowing. I’d rather be in front of the wood stove with a cocktail.
I got an acceptable quote from a reputable, local shop. Made the appointment and dropped it off at the agreed time. It was supposed to be done the next afternoon. There guy could start on it “first thing in the morning”.
About 2:30 the next day, phone rings. No, it wasn’t the “Your car is done” call. It was the upsell call.
Said my opti seal or water pump seal (they weren’t sure which) was leaking and they wouldn’t do the pan without doing the seals. I told them that you didn’t have to remove the timing cover to do the seals. I just changed them and they weren’t leaking as of two days ago. After a little while of arguing, I just went and picked up the car because they refused to change the pan gasket unless I approved an additional 800.00 worth of work.
I guess it’s going back up on the ramps after it warms up a bit.
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Racer
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From: Volcano CA
aklim -Have you tried a few cans of brake cleaner to hose off stuff and dye for the oil?
Definitely an option but I was just chasing as many gaskets and seals as I can access without pulling the motor. It's a driver with 128k on it. Everything wept or dripped....and the pan is all that's left. I'll take a look at the front seals and see if they're pulling my chain or not. The motor is completely clean so if they're leaking, it will be easy to spot.
Team Owner
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From: Hartford WI
Oh yah, a lift is in the plan.....as soon as my shop is done. It should be done before next rainy season.
aklim -Have you tried a few cans of brake cleaner to hose off stuff and dye for the oil?
Definitely an option but I was just chasing as many gaskets and seals as I can access without pulling the motor. It's a driver with 128k on it. Everything wept or dripped....and the pan is all that's left. I'll take a look at the front seals and see if they're pulling my chain or not. The motor is completely clean so if they're leaking, it will be easy to spot.
aklim -Have you tried a few cans of brake cleaner to hose off stuff and dye for the oil?
Definitely an option but I was just chasing as many gaskets and seals as I can access without pulling the motor. It's a driver with 128k on it. Everything wept or dripped....and the pan is all that's left. I'll take a look at the front seals and see if they're pulling my chain or not. The motor is completely clean so if they're leaking, it will be easy to spot.
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Racer
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From: Volcano CA
Update: The wife and I finally got around to tearing into the front of the engine again.
I figured that it couldn't be the Opti seal leaking because we just changed both it and the crank seal. It must be the water pump seal then. The mechanic was unclear on which one was leaking
Water pump off, seal dry.
Popped off the pulley and Opti. Maybe it was weeping a little? Trying to give the mechanic the benefit of the doubt but it looked dry to us.
Leaking like hell at the timing cover/oil pan chin area. Off to another shop to get the pan done.
The upside is yes, we can gut the front off in a little over an hour and back together in less than 2 hrs to firing it up. You tear it apart four times in 2 months, a person doesn't even have to guess which sockets he needs.
I figured that it couldn't be the Opti seal leaking because we just changed both it and the crank seal. It must be the water pump seal then. The mechanic was unclear on which one was leaking
Water pump off, seal dry.
Popped off the pulley and Opti. Maybe it was weeping a little? Trying to give the mechanic the benefit of the doubt but it looked dry to us.
Leaking like hell at the timing cover/oil pan chin area. Off to another shop to get the pan done.
The upside is yes, we can gut the front off in a little over an hour and back together in less than 2 hrs to firing it up. You tear it apart four times in 2 months, a person doesn't even have to guess which sockets he needs.
Burning Brakes
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From: Farmington MO
Update: The wife and I finally got around to tearing into the front of the engine again.<clipped>
The upside is yes, we can gut the front off in a little over an hour and back together in less than 2 hrs to firing it up. You tear it apart four times in 2 months, a person doesn't even have to guess which sockets he needs.
The upside is yes, we can gut the front off in a little over an hour and back together in less than 2 hrs to firing it up. You tear it apart four times in 2 months, a person doesn't even have to guess which sockets he needs.
Le Mans Master
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From: South-central Missouri
5 out of the last 7 shops I went to for various things tried to upcharge me, and 2 of them totally f'ked it up and had to be re-done.
Finally found an excellent, reputable shop. Now that my body complains so much about even bending over to pick up something off the floor, I cringe at the thought of looking for another shop, should this one close their doors. They're two middle-age brothers, so hopefully they outlast ME!
Finally found an excellent, reputable shop. Now that my body complains so much about even bending over to pick up something off the floor, I cringe at the thought of looking for another shop, should this one close their doors. They're two middle-age brothers, so hopefully they outlast ME!
Race Director
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From: Long Island
NO, it's for 4 qts of oil, 5th qt is $6.99 and then the filter is 24.99 + disposal fees and taxes. = $79.99 no issues.
A gas station advertised gas for $00.89 cents per gallon. After taxes it was the same as the station across the street. The locals made him stop. He them put up big signs with the price of the gas and the taxes then the total - people were furious.... they also made him stop.
Last edited by BLUE1972; Jul 11, 2019 at 01:44 PM.
Race Director
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From: Long Island
I just read an article about the same - 20+ year trusted mechanic shop. He passed away and she found out he never did half the work over the years, hope your experience is better. When I walk into a shop I ask them to describe what the are going to do and I want the old parts back. I also stop in in the middle of the job to see if it's done correctly.
I try to do all my own work, but a few things I do need done. As I approach 70, things got heavier - must be due to dirt accumulation..