[QUOTE]LT-1 and LS-1 share the same block? Not on this planet!
Totally different block. Totally different engine.

Hmmm, I've been told differently; that the difference between the two blocks is the material it's made of. LT1 is iron, LS1 is aluminum. Guess whoever told me that is wrong? :confused:

EDIT: I know the engines themselves are different, the heads, cams, etc. I'm just talking about the block, all by itself, without anything else.


[Modified by GDP, 10:07 PM 10/21/2002]

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The LT1 and LS1 are very very different beasts. The LS1 was a clean sheet design having nothing but the "bore center to center measurement of 4.40 inches" in common.

Here is one of many good articles giving the design and differences of the engine
http://www.idavette.net/hib/ls1c.html

To the main topic though, my boss, who sold me his C4 to get a 50th anniversary edition convert, wants me to sell him back the car if I should ever have to sell, he misses it and loves it more than his new one. I have driven it also, and I prefer the C4 for the "cockpit" feel of it. His car is much much smoother than mine, but when you have aftermarket super stiff shocks, you can't expect it to be smooth :D The acceleration on his is also very smooth, but not much different than my own car. I enjoy having the sense of speed if I can't be going fast, and even though the C4 is not that RAW, it still gives a better sense IMO than the C5. (This not RAW feeling be derived from going 120 in the vette, and 120 in a 95 escort wagon, and having a much scarier and about to die feeling of speed in the scort, my recommendation is do not try it)

But once again, you can't really compare them, they're both Vettes, I love them all just the same, with a bit more lean to the C4 side.

Good Luck on your decision LT4_383 and I say drive both and pick the one that grabs you the most.

 

hmmmm; I know I have said that of the 5 Corvettes I have owned; my C4 was the least favorite... but I never thought to slam the C4. Aren't we all Corvette enthusiasts?

its much more then just the material it's made of. The LS1 is a totally different block... different dimentions.
It's not like that one day they swithced from pouring molten iron to molten aluminum... using the same mold.





[Modified by Mike Mercury, 2:02 PM 10/22/2002]

 

considering the C4 looks like a "door stop" your opinion and some loose change might buy me a cup of coffee :jester

 

I'll take 10 of them cool looking door stops. C4 looks own you!

 

Hey guys, Just saw the thread and I wanted to say that I am glad you like your C4's. I really like my C5 too. :) The guys that buy the C6 will like that car also.

vetterdstr :cheers:

 

:D :D I have driven both but own a C5. The C5 coupe is the most (mass produced) aerodynamic car in the world and the looks show it. I will not debate on which one is the better car because all you have to do is drive both and put both side by side. Which one ya takin home? :cheers:

 

Really interesting discussion. I drove both when I was shopping and ended up narrowing it down to a C5 for door sills that didn't need pitons and rope to rapell down into the seats :lol: and to get away from the stupid Optispark ignition system (already got one of those in my '94 Z-28).

And, who says that the C5 holds 2 golf bags? I do know that it'll hold 4 autocross tires, toolkit, jack,... :D

The differences between the LT-1 and LS-1 blocks? Just take a look at the oil pan on the C5: it's a true structural member of the lower part of the block, not the traditional pan like you'd see on an LT-1 (or even an LS-1 F-body).

Finally, for those that feel it's lost that Corvette feeling, that it's built with the NSX lines or the RX-7 lines, remember that those cars probably got some of their styling from Corvettes of the past. Also, try on a hardtop sometime, I think you'll feel that old feeling coming back.

Have a good one,
Mike

 

I just recently got Speed channel, and I love watching the old musclecar reviews on Car and Track (?). I don't remember which car it was, but there was a 60-0 brake test where they lost control of the car, and it had enough body roll that every turn was a cross-controlled drift that'd make any WOO driver proud. :smash:

That feeling of menace? I think that's also referred to as "the fear of braking" :lol: :lol:

Have a good one,
Mike

 

Muscle cars were good at one thing, straight line :rolleyes:

 

all vettes are good vetts but the best vette is a C3 Vette. jmo

 

I have owned them both and loved them both but bottom line you need to decide what you like better and how much you want to spend and how long you plan on keeping it.
92-96 will be better for top end but I also had a 91 that had more torque with the L98. I will say this much it is more $$$$ to get the C/5 to sound as good due to the LS1 but it can be done.
....... And there are some people here that have some pretty far fetched ideas of how the C/5 run or lack there of. I love or have loved all of my vettes but hands down my C/5 rides nicer and will out run all of my previous vettes. I will also say thisthere are some quick C/4's out there but I dont think I would shy away from to many :D

 

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Wow...this is a very interesting thread. I can see a lot of passion in C4 owners & that is great!!! I cannot comment too much on the differences between the C4 & the C5, because I have not owned a C4. We had a C3...loved the styling!!! We test drove one of the first C4's made back in 1983 & immediately did not like the car nor the styling. The minute we saw the C5, we said "Now that is AWESOME!" However, styling preference is a matter of taste. C5ers have taste C4ers do not. J/K :jester :jester :lol: :lol:

All kidding aside, the C5 is more refined & more comfortable. GM made a huge step forward is buliding a more solid car. However, probably in stock trim, the C5 does not have as much pure 'power feel' as a C4. So, if you want 'feel', the C4 probably provides that better.

When our car was stock, we had a couple of friendly runs against C4's & the two cars are close enough that the driver is the determing factor.

I can appreciate the comments about sound & feel. If you read the C5 Section, you will see that many of us modify the engine, exhaust, & suspension to give us the 'feel & power' we desire. We have made a few changes in our C5 to get the performance & handling that suits our needs. When we ran Road Atlanta the Panoz Racing guys called our car the "Vette on Steroids." One Panoz driver came over to us & said, "That beast sounds wicked!!!" So, if any C4ers want a ride in our C5, let me know, then you can judge for yourself. ;)

Kudos to you guys for loving your Vettes, because that is what it is all about! There is no right or wrong...just a matter of peference. :cheers:





[Modified by Sully C5, 7:27 PM 10/22/2002]

 

When the first C4 came out, it was like WOW! the car was ahead of the game, it looked 10 times better than any american sports car in that era.
They continued the styling almost 12 years, that should mean something.
Now, remember when the C5 came about in 97, I did not have any interest in this car what so ever i don't know why, it looked smaller or something, hearing it had about 345hp didn't turn my crank.
The whopper who designed the C5 tried to copy the 355 ferrari wide rear narrowed- shortened the front and rounded everything together. I could call him a whop because i"m one too.

The rear of the car is nice but something is wrong with this cars styling that I still can't go WOW. They've rounded it too much and it doesn't give you that exotic impression. The technology we know, the performance we know, well lets face it, its a newer car, look at the rustang,and the gino camaro they're better too.
Z06 yes its a better car over all.

It doesn't give you that WOW.
Question is, does it fit in your money pocket, your style, your era.
I know there's guys out there who won't look at any other vette except a 68 69 vette. Why, who knows. maybe it was the year they first got laid?

If I had the $$$$$$ it would be a black 95 ZR1
Ya, you might have to spend more $$$ to drive it but if you got the money who cares buy both.
The ZR1 still wins the beast award.
If your talking about a LT1 like mine just buy a C5 its better haahaahah....


[Modified by blk95, 6:26 AM 10/23/2002]

 

Uuuh Oooo....The C5 guys have just entered the party :mad :jester


Some make it sound like the C5 is some Caddy while the C3 is a hardcore race car. I think alot of people here need to drive both. The C5 is fast as hell and the LS1 loves to be modified. The blocks are not the same. I love the C4 (check my sig, I'm looking to buy one) but it is in that sticky transition time right now where it is depreciating and you can pick one up for a dynamite price. Another 10 years and the C4 will be increasing in value just like the C3's (got one of those too).

As far as looks are concerned, I don't get too many critics clowning my cheese wedge. :(

 

Let's face a hard fact: They stopped building Corvettes in 1967 :jester

I have never driven a C4 but listening to most people that have they pick the C5. It's just a more refined better car. If you like the looks of the C4 better, I understand buying one. The Midyears are fairly primitve cars but I would love to have one!

That said, I would own a Grand Sport in a heartbeat. :yesnod: :cheers:


[Modified by Doughan, 8:34 PM 10/22/2002]

 

AGREED. But that was because the C4 was a radical redesign. The C5 (even though it shared no parts with the C4)... still looked a lot like a C4... but a more refined look. That CD of .29 on the C5 was difficult to acheive. And I bet the C6 looks even more flowing that the C5.

 

Excellent discussion...

I can only compare my 92 C4 to my sisters 98 C5, because thats the only 2 vettes I have ever drove.

I have to agree with some of the other comments about the C5 "feeling" like a camaro on the inside. I was rather shocked when I first sat in my sisters C5. It reminded me of my 96 Z-28, which is not a bad thing, I sometimes miss my Z-28.

I have to disagree with some of the comments about the C5 being quieter and smoother under hard acceleration. Again this is between my 92 and my sisters 98, both are stock engines with stock exhaust, and my 92 is by far quieter and smoother under hard acceleration. (I'm talking about drive train smooth not road feel smooth)

With that said, her 98 will scream compared to my 92. Of course, I think a lot of that has to do to the fact mine is an A4 w/2.59 rear and hers is a M6 w/3.xx rear.

If I had to pick between the 2, of course I would take my C4, not because I think it is better or looks better, but only because it is mine, thats human nature to like what you have. If the shoe was on the other foot, and I owned my sisters C5 and she owned my C4, all of the statements above would be the same except this last one which I would change to....you guessed it, I would pick the C5. :lol:


Heres a thought.....take the new 405hp Z06 and completely redesign the interior to match the "Kock-pit" like feel of the C4. :cool:





[Modified by vette92_1, 11:15 PM 10/22/2002]

 

Well yer close...make that one gen newer and were in agreement :blueangel:

 

I'd have to say I like both but for different reasons.

C4 is pure corvette IMO. It was the return to power. It was a nice car but you could still feel the beast within. Plus have to say late model c4s look much better then the C5

The C5 is more refined. Little things like how the roof comes off vs a C4 make a lot of difference. It has more power but the power at times feels like less.

Overall in the end price made the decision more for me then anything else.

Given no price difference though and me having the money to buy either it would have been much harder to choose. I would say I like the C4 just slightly better but plan on buying a C5 for my next vette. So as you can see still a toos up but next time age will win out.