C4 Brakes
12-13-2018, 01:00 PM
#2
Le Mans Master
12-13-2018, 02:44 PM
#3
Team Owner
12-14-2018, 11:53 AM
#4
Team Owner
Where are you located? Your profile indicates "GB"; Is that Great Britain? Using the abbreviation "MOT" made me think you live in England. Given that, you should be able to find a repair shop that can solve the braking problem and have the car pass the inspection.
12-14-2018, 11:00 PM
#6
Team Owner
https://www.autozone.com/brakes-and-traction-control/brake-line/ags-nicopp-brake-line/73307_413030_3054_90083_90188
https://www.autozone.com/brakes-and-traction-control/brake-line/ags-nicopp-brake-line/73307_413030_3054_90083_90188
NiCopp is a nickel-copper alloy brake tubing that meets SAE Standard J1047 and ISO 4038; meeting all international and U.S. requirements for brake tubing. This alloy is approximately 9.2% nickel, 1.4% iron, 0.8% manganese, and 88.6% copper. Under the UNS system, this alloy is designated as UNS C70600. NiCopp therefore has the strength and structural integrity of steel lines but with the added benefit of being much more corrosion resistant. NiCopp is also easier to bend and form than steel tubing. Nickel-copper, commonly referred to as ’90-10 copper’, has been used on several European vehicle brake systems since the 1970’s, including: Volvo, Audi, Porsche, and Aston Martin. NiCopp has been used on hydraulic/fluid transfer systems on vehicles where steel lines and tubing are commonly used.
Last edited by aklim; 12-14-2018 at 11:09 PM.
12-14-2018, 11:37 PM
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Le Mans Master
Nicopp is something realitively new for U.S. A little "googling " revealed it has been used in Europe for years. Positives easy to work with and corrosion resistant. Downside easy to kink. You may want to be sure it will meet inspection guidelines.
I'll stick with steel.
I'll stick with steel.
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12-15-2018, 12:14 AM
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Team Owner
So you have to be careful with what you are doing. Positives still outweigh the negative unless it doesn't meet standards. Easier to bend and more resistant to corrosion and if the trade off is being careful or have to redo, I suppose it is still a good trade off.
Can I ask what inspection guidelines you refer to? Do those guidelines agree that the Nicopp is permissible or not? If the inspector is trying to find fault with you and making up rules as he goes along, don't worry. He WILL find something to nail you with regardless.
I guess the question is whether you are making up standards or whether you are basing it on something factual that it does NOT meet standards. First, you say "Brake pipes are required to be steel.", now your issue is that it is new and may not meet standards. What is the exact issue??
Last edited by aklim; 12-15-2018 at 12:16 AM.
12-15-2018, 08:39 AM
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Le Mans Master
Stares requiring safety inspections still may require steel. Since this problem came about because of an inspection; a call to the inspection center to ask if it is acceptable shouldn't be a big deal.
12-15-2018, 08:45 AM
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Team Owner
Good point. I assumed that since he is in Europe and they have used Nicopp it should be fine. Sure, won't hurt to ask the inspector if he cares whether it could work and save himself time with the stuff.
12-20-2018, 06:17 AM
#11
I'm based in the UK. It shouldn't be too much work to bend some new lines, probably expensive to buy preformed ones from the USA and have them fitted. I'd expect most garages to be able to do the work.
Those in the USA, the MOT is our annual inspection and most cars here have kunifer pipes
Those in the USA, the MOT is our annual inspection and most cars here have kunifer pipes
12-20-2018, 08:30 AM
#12
I recently restored a 1960 MGA and hand bent all of the fuel lines and brake/clutch lines out of annealed copper tubing with bsp threaded iso/flare fittings and brass couplers. Probably the most bizarre **** I've ever seen.