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Old Mar 2, 2021 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
Geezus, let's split some hairs, shall we? Yikes, Akllim.

At the risk of getting sucked into the minutia of the Aklimmy-go-round, let me clarify for you; As you already know, Aklim, I had a new C6 and I bought my C4. I had both for ~6 months. I never drove the C6 and I always "CHOSE"/"CHOOSED"/"CHOICE-ED"/"CHASEN" (whatever word you want to pick)....to drive the C4. I eventually sold one of the cars b/c it never got driven. My CHOICE at that time, was the C4...so you are right Aklim, when I sold the C6, 11 years ago and kept the C4, that is "past tense", because you know...it was 11 years ago. However, today, when I write about it in posts, what I'm actually trying to convey, is that it is still the CHOICE that I make(current tense), every time I drive it and every day/month/year that I keep it. I like it and keep it and chose it and have done so for the past 11 years or so, and continue to do so. I like it(current tense)...and I like it for reasons OTHER than: that a C5 is faster 0-60 (or whatever objective measure you CHOOSE to pick). I like it for the "everything else", which is basically the experience that it provides.


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My point is, I'm not concerned with what you were as much as what you are. I chose the C4 in the past. Does not mean that with today's options, it means that I will still choose it. FYI, it was chosen because I had a well built motor and transmission from a totaled F-body and it had to go into either an F-body or a Y-body. Here, rust is a problem. Hence the solution. Body was in decent shape and motor was not good. It wasn't about sentiment, the icon or history. It was about finding a receipient that had decent aftermarket support. Fiberglass panels were an important point. I did not want a truck. I didn't see many better options at that time. If I had to choose today, it would be different.

Why would I already know what you did? I don't keep track of what you do or not. If I have to choose between 2 C4s or 2 C5s, I'd keep the least troublesome one. I pick objective first and if that doesn't settle it, everything else can come into play.
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Old Mar 2, 2021 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PacerX
I think the comparison missed the mark in one crucial respect:

NEITHER car stands up to "obective" comparison with a more modern machine like the C8. Anything done to either to bridge the performance gap with a C8 results in compromising the reliability, driveability or comfort of the older platform.

So... Yeah... Newer platforms are OBVIOUSLY objectively better.

In other news, F-15 Eagles are objectively better than F-4 Phantoms and can sweep them from the skies. Does this surprise anyone?
IMO, C4 and C8 are apples and blueberries. C4 and C5 are more like ripe apple and just about ripe apple.
I chose to compare the C4 and C5 because there are probably a fair number of soon to be first time Corvette owners looking at both generations trying to decide which one is best for them. They may choose the C4 if the see how some of the measured performance results are not that different - and they can save a bunch of $$$. Another individual might be willing to pay double for only marginal improvement. Of course what defines marginal is up to the individual but this at least gives them a good bit of info in one short Video. I also made it for the C4 and C5 enthusiast that had 5 minutes to spare and was hoping to learn something and be entertained.

Plus I was secretly hoping Aklim would comment often because I LOVE his avatar... Oh my.
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Old Mar 2, 2021 | 03:20 PM
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My point is, I'm not concerned with what you were as much as what you are. I chose the C4 in the past. Does not mean that with today's options, it means that I will still choose it.
I'm sorry, I thought your point in your last post to me was that you were unable to decipher tense in "chose" and "choose" while mixed with other words. Anyway, ^^that's precisely why we have our cars; b/c of what they do for us, today. I agree with you. You see Aklim, although some of the wording was past tense ("I bought my car yesterday") we can mostly assume that those of us posting on this here forum, still have our C4 car -the same car that we're talking about in posts- today. We're simply relating the reasons why we chose it in the past tense to also explain the reasons why we still have it today. So then you have to ask yourself: "Why do they still have that car??" I know they had a reason, yesterday when they bought it....but why still own it where there is better out there, today!?" Well Aklim, the answer is still the same; the car provides the experience that we want...even after all these 11 years, in my case. So I recognize that this is tricky, but even though I may talk about a decision that was made a while back, I and most of us, likely, still have our cars b/c the cars are still providing the same experience and enjoyment that they did when the decision was made to pick them over something else....even something newer and "better".


Originally Posted by aklim
FYI, it was chosen because I had a well built motor and transmission from a totaled F-body and it had to go into either an F-body or a Y-body. Here, rust is a problem. Hence the solution. Body was in decent shape and motor was not good. It wasn't about sentiment, the icon or history. It was about finding a receipient that had decent aftermarket support. Fiberglass panels were an important point. I didn't see many better options at that time.
We know why you chose it....you've posted that story many-a-time.



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Why would I already know what you did?
Because...I've posted that story MANY-a-time, at least once, directly in response to YOU. I was giving your credit for having memory. My bad.


Originally Posted by aklim
I pick objective first
I hear you. I made that exact same mistake with the C6. When you have nothing else to go on (can't test drive, forum opinions are dubious etc) then you go on objective data. That got me the C6; the boringest, most lifeless, most blandest, fast car ever made.







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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
I know they had a reason, yesterday when they bought it....but why still own it where there is better out there, today!?" Well Aklim, the answer is still the same; the car provides the experience that we want...even after all these 11 years, in my case. So I recognize that this is tricky, but even though I may talk about a decision that was made a while back, I and most of us, likely, still have our cars b/c the cars are still providing the same experience and enjoyment that they did when the decision was made to pick them over something else....even something newer and "better".

We know why you chose it....you've posted that story many-a-time.

Because...I've posted that story MANY-a-time, at least once, directly in response to YOU. I was giving your credit for having memory. My bad.


I hear you. I made that exact same mistake with the C6. When you have nothing else to go on (can't test drive, forum opinions are dubious etc) then you go on objective data. That got me the C6; the boringest, most lifeless, most blandest, fast car ever made.
It makes the same power as the day I put in the motor. That hasn't changed. If something can do that and more, I so want it.

I don't know what you read nor do I expect you to remember me or what I said. Besides, I was trained to show how I arrived at an answer for proof problems in math.

In the first few dates with a girl I am trying to get lucky with, I write her name on my pinky so I can remember it until it gets more ingrained. After I stop seeing her, I don't bother to remember her unless there is something really fawked up. Why exactly would I remember what you said you own? I'm not your son who might inherit it.

Don't know. I do like the power and abilities and if it is more refined, I probably will like it. When my motor blows, it is definitely a contender. I'm not racing it so I don't have to put up with harshness and I prefer to arrive at my destination refreshed or less beat up.
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Yep, you're right Aklim.
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Old Mar 2, 2021 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
Yep, you're right Aklim.
Sorry, I honestly mean it as it sounds. I really don't remember things people say unless I see malice. Only thing I remember about you is the fuel pump test.

On the bright side, we didn't have sex last night and I messed up by calling you someone else.

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Old Sep 3, 2022 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by aklim
"Wah!!! They boys in the sandbox don't want to play with me.!! Pay a hooker for the "Girlfriend Experience" if you are that hard up for acknowledgement. If I could give you all the acknowledgement I got, I would since you are so desperate they acknowledge you. I don't remember signing an agreement to enter the "Corvette Brotherhood" and got the secret handshake instructions. Every time this comes up, all you got is butthurt because the big boys didn't want to play with you. Maybe Biden can pass a law that if you buy a Corvette of any generation and retroactive to C1, they have to agree to wave and polish your ******* or surrender the car.
Wow, what a JERK. No reason for a rude response like that.
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Old Sep 3, 2022 | 07:52 PM
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OBD 2 Enough said: if you don't understand the reference, don't need a C-4 ..
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My personal choice is the C4. The C5 is a better car in every way, although I never cared for its exterior styling of it. I didn't buy a Corvette for comfort, or ease of accessibility. I bought the C4 because it's the closest I have or will ever come to driving a street-legal race car that handles like a Go-cart.
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Old Sep 6, 2022 | 03:34 PM
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I own a C6(really an evolution of the C5) and a C4. The C5 is hands down a better car than the C4. But I love driving my 1996 LT4 C4. Pick which ever you prefer.
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Originally Posted by Toys4Life C5
First off - I love all Corvettes - and if I had the time/money & space (think Jay Leno) I would have at least one of each generation.
That having been said, we all have to be smart consumers to determine what Corvette best suite our wants, needs and checkbook.
It is cold here (MN) and I thought I would satisfy my curiosity as to what the real measurable differences are between the C4 and C5.

I took the time to pull all this data into a video to share with you - in case you ever wondered. Cheers!

https://youtu.be/MZB5WTP5n2E
I have a 93 restored auto super nice love it drives super but right now if I had a Ele. Problem with it right now that I could not figure out with the Vettes not uncommon C-4 or C-5 I am in central Al there’s is nobody in 200 miles that will even talk to you about looking at it first thing is find in your area someone that can do work on the thing anybody can rebuild trans motor Ele is the problem been a vette guy 40 + years
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Originally Posted by radar502
... I am in central Al there’s is nobody in 200 miles that will even talk to you about looking at it first thing is find in your area someone that can do work on the thing anybody can rebuild trans motor Ele is the problem been a vette guy 40 + years
Petris Enterprises (Chris Petris of Optispark fame) in Scottsboro, AL, is a possibility. No?
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I love the timeless clean lines of C4.
The C4 is the closest one can get to a F16 cockpit without joining the airforce.
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Late model C4 is OBD 2.
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Late model C4 is OBD 2.
IMO - Kinda - (and there is a note in the video on the screen that says that btw) but not really because you cannot edit it with HP Tuners.
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Originally Posted by Toys4Life C5
IMO - Kinda - (and there is a note in the video on the screen that says that btw) but not really because you cannot edit it with HP Tuners.
Cheers
That absurd. The fact that it isn't an ECU that can be modified with hot er has NOTHING to do with it being OBD1 or 2.

Get torqhead and you can use hotuners if you want.
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that absurd. The fact that it isn't an ecu that can be modified with hot er has nothing to do with it being obd1 or 2.

Get torqhead and you can use hotuners if you want.
what?
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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
having driven both I would go with the C5
I've owned a c4, c5, c6, and c7z.

It depends on your goals/budget. I beat on my c5 like a rented mule. C5 felt better than the C6. C7 was just insane.

For every day beating on cheap fun, I'd take a later year C4.
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