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Old May 5, 2023 | 07:47 PM
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Last time I renewed my tags it was the brakes.

This time it was tank pressure and a fuel cap.

Even though it says the fuel cap passed.

Seems like they always take three times as long inspecting my car than they do everyone elses.

When I pulled in the bay they put two people on the car. lol. One said "Ah smell gas...Ah smell lotsa gas.'' The other guy said I do too.

I didn't smell anything.

Like they're just looking to screw up my day because of the car. lol...

I'm hoping it's just some bad fuel vapor hoses.

Even though the canister and hose passed.

Even though I passed the emissions test, I never really understood all of those emissions numbers so I dunno what any of those numbers even mean in the real world.







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Old May 5, 2023 | 07:54 PM
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Put antique plates on car and move on... Or find a station which isn't difficult. Sounds like inspector is a piece of work.
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Originally Posted by *89x2*
Put antique plates on car and move on... Or find a station which isn't difficult. Sounds like inspector is a piece of work.
Oh, no way would I put antique on it.

Not in this state.

You can't drive antique registered cars anywhere except to a car show. To heck with that.

And you have to go to the DMV here for inspection.

It's Delaware.

Worse than California...



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Old May 5, 2023 | 08:09 PM
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Sounds like you need to move. I had the same problem years ago. Tagged it in a different county at the time to get away from those inspectors. They decided I was going to fail as soon as I pulled up.
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Old May 5, 2023 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Natty C
Oh, no way would I put antique on it.

Not in this state.

You can't drive antique registered cars anywhere except to a car show. To heck with that.

And you have to go to the DMV here for inspection.

It's Delaware.

Worse than California...
I thought you were in Maryland and your post confused me. Recent move?
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Originally Posted by WVZR-1
I thought you were in Maryland and your post confused me. Recent move?
No, huh uh. I've lived in Delaware for years. I can be in MD in ten minutes, though. Probably less than that.
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Originally Posted by Natty C
No, huh uh. I've lived in Delaware for years. I can be in MD in ten minutes, though. Probably less than that.

Can you get a MD mailbox? Probably best bet to register there.
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Originally Posted by *89x2*
Can you get a MD mailbox? Probably best bet to register there.
I'm not gonna do anything like that.

I'll mess around with it and figure out where it's losing pressure.

I just replaced that fuel tank a couple years ago. Maybe not even that long.

And I'm gonna try to find a non-vented cap some place.

I don't know if the aftermarket locking cap I have is vented or not. And there's varying opinion about whether these use vented or non-vented caps.

Logically speaking it should have a non-vented cap.

Not that this may be the problem, but it's worth at least swapping out.

I never get that hiss sound that other people say they get when they open their fuel cap.

Personally, I think that ductape probably nailed it when he mentioned about some inspectors deciding you're gonna fail as soon as you pulled up.
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I've got until the first week of June to figure it out. That's when it expires.
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Old May 5, 2023 | 09:28 PM
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Move to NJ, 95 and older don't have to be inspected.
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Originally Posted by IHBD
Your Limits are higher (more forgiving) than ours in California for the same year. And you only have a Two Speed Idle test. Ours get run on the rollers, under load.

Hydrocarbons (HC)
DE: 220 / 220, CA: 100 / 170 (I'd give my left nut to have a 220 allowed at idle speed. Our 100 can be a **** if there is even the slightest hint of a misfire at idle.)

Carbon Monoxide (CO)
DE: 1.2 / 1.2 CA: 1.0 1.0 CO usually isn't the hassle that HC is. High CO is usually a rich condition. A good cat at operating temperature usually can 'clean' a somewhat rich mixture.

I wonder why they didn't just sell you a new cap and pass you? That's what I've seen and heard they do here to generate a little additional margin on every test. I have a different situation: My smog guy and I go back 17 years. He respects me and my cars because they are legal and I never ask for "tricks". (If one fails the test, we discuss what I should try, and bring it back later when I've worked on it.) So when the machine gets to "Install Cap on testing device" he puts his finger over the hole in the adapter and pushes "start". My caps never fail.

I didn't know that DE had emissions testing on 30+ year old cars. Sucks, doesn't it? CA Model Year 1976 and newer require biennial testing. We're required to get 47 year old cars to pass tighter standards than they could when they were new.
They're getting ready to adopt Cali's zero-emission standard here. That debate is starting to draw crowds.

I think eventually they'll make it harder via the DMV for us with older cars just to get em off the road as dailys.

But, yeah. It does suck having to run these through emissions in these older ones.

I'm gonna stop by NAPA tromorrow and see if thye have a non-vented cap. I went out there earlier after the car sat for several hours and that's the only place I could smell any fuel vapor.



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Old May 5, 2023 | 10:15 PM
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Go to a different test station with different people. Some are just jerks.
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This stuff is so annoying. I was struggling to get my 1991 to pass New Mexico hydrocarbons level, 180...

Good luck. Moving isn't easy, but it is an important thing to consider. I won't be moving anywhere any time soon that doesn't have a reasonable degree of personal individual liberty.
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Wow! I finally found something where New York is a better state to be in than somewhere else! Cars over 25 model years old here don't require an emissions test, just safety inspection.
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and only $10 in NY.
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and only $10 in NY.
Yup! I took mine to a dealership a few years back for the inspection. They charged me $21, and failed it for needing brakes, to the tune of $500 or so. I said never mind, went home and bought pads and rotors and got to work. Lo and behold, there was nothing wrong with either one! I took the parts back to FLAPS and got my money back, then took it to the local garage. He passed inspection and charged me $10. When i said he was shorting himself he told me about the 25 year thing on emissions. The required safety inspection is $10, and the emissions would have been another $11 if I had needed it.

I sent a letter to the dealership with a copy of the law and receipts for that year and the year before, and got back $11 for each of the 2 years.

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Wow! I finally found something where New York is a better state to be in than somewhere else! Cars over 25 model years old here don't require an emissions test, just safety inspection.
But....if the car was equipped with emissions equipment it must still be there. So don't go hacking off your catalytic converter just yet....
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Originally Posted by Natty C
Oh, no way would I put antique on it.

Not in this state.

You can't drive antique registered cars anywhere except to a car show. To heck with that.

And you have to go to the DMV here for inspection.

It's Delaware.

Worse than California...
So you're on your way to a cars and coffee.

$50 historic tags here in MD. No inspection, no emissions.
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Originally Posted by Natty C
Oh, no way would I put antique on it.

Not in this state.

You can't drive antique registered cars anywhere except to a car show. To heck with that.
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Yeah, many states are starting to make the use of antique plates harder thanks to insurance companies. Here in NH antique plates can only be put on show cars and cars used parades, outside of that is a not allowed. Sure police won't bother you, but if you get into an accident you insurance company will tell you to go pound sand including any medical bills.

Sadly a lot of people are not aware of the laws now for antique plates (not grandfathered in) and I still see a lot of older cars with them being used for everyday driving.

As for emissions, thankfully in NH, any car over 20 years old is not required to have an emissions test.
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Well I just took it through the inspection lane again.

The new cap passed.

The tank pressure failed again, though.

The guy said the tank isn't holding any pressure at all.

I replaced every single fuel vapor hose from the left side of the tank there by the the gas cap on the left hand side all the way to the canister.

Gonna drop it off for a smoke test in a few days.

Really hope it's something as simple as a leaky injector or an o-ring or something.

Not really up for replacing fuel lines and not much time left before the tag expires.










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