ASR Saved Me...
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ASR Saved Me...
WE drive these prowerful machines, get used to them, and first thing you know they get away from you.
Installed 3.73's about 6 weeks ago, on my 300 rwhp beauty it's a great combo, but after the passing weeks I got used to increased push and thinking so little of it began once again pushing the envelope a little.
At a stop light taking a left in to the neighbor hood, ASR's engaged, turning from one 4 lane onto another. Boost her into the turn at 3, 800 rpm, holding the road like glue (as usual) and at the apex of the turn she hit's second. Rear tires (Firehawks) break loose and rear end starts to come arround, I am all over the street. Thanks to ASR I get her straightened out and motor down the road after having given the folks stopped at the light quite a show.
Now, I'm no whimp, 53 years old, 6 feet, 205 lbs, bench 225 regularly, and have been drivng strong cars for years. I' didn't wet my pants but is was quite a rush trying not to hit the 12" vertical curbs here in North Dallas.
Obviously I'm still learning at my age! These C4's are very serious machines!
[Modified by Beautiful Beast, 6:44 AM 8/4/2003]
Installed 3.73's about 6 weeks ago, on my 300 rwhp beauty it's a great combo, but after the passing weeks I got used to increased push and thinking so little of it began once again pushing the envelope a little.
At a stop light taking a left in to the neighbor hood, ASR's engaged, turning from one 4 lane onto another. Boost her into the turn at 3, 800 rpm, holding the road like glue (as usual) and at the apex of the turn she hit's second. Rear tires (Firehawks) break loose and rear end starts to come arround, I am all over the street. Thanks to ASR I get her straightened out and motor down the road after having given the folks stopped at the light quite a show.
Now, I'm no whimp, 53 years old, 6 feet, 205 lbs, bench 225 regularly, and have been drivng strong cars for years. I' didn't wet my pants but is was quite a rush trying not to hit the 12" vertical curbs here in North Dallas.
Obviously I'm still learning at my age! These C4's are very serious machines!
[Modified by Beautiful Beast, 6:44 AM 8/4/2003]
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Re: ASR Saved Me... (Beautiful Beast)
I had a similar occurence. I have an extra naturally aspirated 85 HP on my 93 6spd (not to mention when hitting the juice).
I had brand new tires put on (Goodyear Eagle F1's) . I made it a block, and went around a slight turn in the road. I was in 2nd at about 20 MPH, I eased into the gas (about 80%), and to my horror, the back broke lose on completely dry pavement.
I was all over the road, one moment I was looking at the telephone pole on the left side of the road, the next i was looking at the telephone pole on the right.
I couldnt tell whether ASR was kicking in. (would it work in this situation?)
I got control of the car, but took up the oncoming lane. Had another car been there, i would have hit them.
Whats really weird is why this happened......I am guessing the tire was rolled around in some oil/grease on the tire shops floor and it was slippery.
I had brand new tires put on (Goodyear Eagle F1's) . I made it a block, and went around a slight turn in the road. I was in 2nd at about 20 MPH, I eased into the gas (about 80%), and to my horror, the back broke lose on completely dry pavement.
I was all over the road, one moment I was looking at the telephone pole on the left side of the road, the next i was looking at the telephone pole on the right.
I couldnt tell whether ASR was kicking in. (would it work in this situation?)
I got control of the car, but took up the oncoming lane. Had another car been there, i would have hit them.
Whats really weird is why this happened......I am guessing the tire was rolled around in some oil/grease on the tire shops floor and it was slippery.
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Re: ASR Saved Me... (dizwiz24)
I couldnt tell whether ASR was kicking in. (would it work in this situation?)
Go to a parking lot (dry, wet, don't matter) from a standstill with asr ON, turn the wheel all the way to the left or right. Now try to do donuts. It won't happen, what will happen is the tightest fastest circle turning ever..lol and dizzyness.
Now go to a big parking lot(I MEAN BIG!), perferably wet (makes it easier on your tires) and get a rolling start, get up to about 35-40 mph and let off and cruise and do a sudden turn to the left or right. ASR won't know what to do with its self. Because that type of spin out was not created by the powertrain, but it will read that the rear tires are acting weird.
The new active handling will correct you even in situations not controlled by throttle(they have a yaw sensor, we do not) And their AH system has the power and brains to brake individual brakes to correct problems. Ours just does the rear two, and/ or the front two. :cheers:
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Re: ASR Saved Me... (Valleybacker)
Valleybacker,
I understand what you are saying, but in my case going around that slight bend in the road and losing the back as I was applying power was a power-on oversteer. The ASR should have corrected that which it likely did or tried to, albeit not very well.
Its really odd to me that such minor application of throttle (75-80% throttle in 2nd gear at 20MPH should not be enough to cause problems on dry pavement around the slightest bend imaginable) If I was going faster, was in 2nd, and the engine was in its powerband then maybe i could see that being a problem if it was wet out. But in my case it was tottally dry.
Another interesting fact...there is large railroad lettering printed across the street to. Maybe slippery even when it was dry and 70F like it was the morning my situation occurred.
I was too busy to look at the ASR light to see if it came on.
I understand what you are saying, but in my case going around that slight bend in the road and losing the back as I was applying power was a power-on oversteer. The ASR should have corrected that which it likely did or tried to, albeit not very well.
Its really odd to me that such minor application of throttle (75-80% throttle in 2nd gear at 20MPH should not be enough to cause problems on dry pavement around the slightest bend imaginable) If I was going faster, was in 2nd, and the engine was in its powerband then maybe i could see that being a problem if it was wet out. But in my case it was tottally dry.
Another interesting fact...there is large railroad lettering printed across the street to. Maybe slippery even when it was dry and 70F like it was the morning my situation occurred.
I was too busy to look at the ASR light to see if it came on.
