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Long tubes for '94??
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Long tubes for '94??
Alright, I've been searching this site for more info for us later C4 guys who want long tubes, but no one sells specifically for later C4s because of emission reasons. I know that hooker sells the 2149 and 2151 for the older C4, but what kind of retrofit would it take to get these headers to work for a '94. I'm assuming 02 bungs would need to be welded and the EGR tube removed...please, someone point me in the right direction!
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Not to hijack your thread, but I've always wondered why headers are readily available for 84-91 but hardly any for 92-96. There is every bit as much demand for them and the air inj. pipes are way simpler for the LT1s and should therefore mabey cheaper. But this never seems to be the case for some reason...
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Originally Posted by MaxLean
Not to hijack your thread, but I've always wondered why headers are readily available for 84-91 but hardly any for 92-96. There is every bit as much demand for them and the air inj. pipes are way simpler for the LT1s and should therefore mabey cheaper. But this never seems to be the case for some reason...
The reason is the 92-96 have to use a non stock cats and relocate them. For this reason, the only truely legal headers for LT1-LT4 are shortys.
This being said, they will pass emissions inspection with the sniffer but would not pass a visual inspection if the inspector wants to get picky. At least in some localities.
They carry no CARB cert. due to this.
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Originally Posted by 93 ragtop
The reason is the 92-96 have to use a non stock cats and relocate them. For this reason, the only truely legal headers for LT1-LT4 are shortys.
This being said, they will pass emissions inspection with the sniffer but would not pass a visual inspection if the inspector wants to get picky. At least in some localities.
They carry no CARB cert. due to this.
This being said, they will pass emissions inspection with the sniffer but would not pass a visual inspection if the inspector wants to get picky. At least in some localities.
They carry no CARB cert. due to this.
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Originally Posted by 93 ragtop
The reason is the 92-96 have to use a non stock cats and relocate them. For this reason, the only truely legal headers for LT1-LT4 are shortys.
This being said, they will pass emissions inspection with the sniffer but would not pass a visual inspection if the inspector wants to get picky. At least in some localities.
They carry no CARB cert. due to this.
This being said, they will pass emissions inspection with the sniffer but would not pass a visual inspection if the inspector wants to get picky. At least in some localities.
They carry no CARB cert. due to this.
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Originally Posted by MaxLean
That may be true, but the long tubes for 84-91 are not legal either, at least in California, even though they retain the stock cat location. Therefore since they both aren't leagal and there is certainly a market for the 92-96, I'm still confused.
Kalifornia is the land of the emissions Communists....You should move or hope it becomes its own Country soon. This is particularly crazy b/c haveing longtube headers themselves do not effect a damn thing with clean air as long as you still have your cats in place.
The L98 LT header is legal just about everywhere else.
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Originally Posted by MaxLean
That may be true, but the long tubes for 84-91 are not legal either, at least in California, even though they retain the stock cat location. Therefore since they both aren't leagal and there is certainly a market for the 92-96, I'm still confused.
But they are 49 state legal just like the y pipes that eliminate the 2 front per-cats on the L98. That is legal in 49 states, just not california.
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I haven't checked out EM, but when I called TPiS, they told me that they only sell shorties and mid-lenght. I'm looking for the "full up" longtubes, and getting rid of my power robbing cats. So, are EM still better, and if so, what's the worth in paying double the cost of Hookers...? They should all be equal lenght, mandrel bent, etc...right? Thanks for the good info so far!
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Get uncoated and I can ceramic coat any set of LTs for only $188!!!!
this includes coating inside and out, all preping of materials, 3 yr labor warranty, and a lifetime limited rust warranty!
This should save you alot of $
and even if you get stainless get them ceramic coated
stainless is not rust proof just rust resitant!
thanks alot
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let me know!
this includes coating inside and out, all preping of materials, 3 yr labor warranty, and a lifetime limited rust warranty!
This should save you alot of $
and even if you get stainless get them ceramic coated
stainless is not rust proof just rust resitant!
thanks alot
your firend
Sean Blanton
slimshaby@mindspring.com
let me know!
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Originally Posted by VictorRussell'92
Kalifornia is the land of the emissions Communists....You should move or hope it becomes its own Country soon. This is particularly crazy b/c haveing longtube headers themselves do not effect a damn thing with clean air as long as you still have your cats in place.
The L98 LT header is legal just about everywhere else.
The L98 LT header is legal just about everywhere else.
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I was looking on EM's website and was wondering how much hp diff there would be between the 1 3/4" and the 1 7/8" pn#C1180, C1181. Because the 1 3/4" is $425.95 and the 1 7/8 is $1350. Besides the size and coating, is there any other difference I don't see. I'm assuming they are both tuned length. Why is there such a price difference? Is is it the material bec. there is another 1 3/4" header that is SS and it is around $800.
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1 7/8" headers are just too big for a 350, you wouldnt need those unless you had over 400ci. Your low-end torque will drop significantly if you go to 1 7/8".
1 5/8" or 1.75" headers are all you would need on a 350.
1 5/8" or 1.75" headers are all you would need on a 350.
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