Hmmm... Very interesting...

As some of you probably recall, ski and I had a rather heated dispute on this forum last year regarding the tune on my '93 speed density car.

I'm not here to open any old wounds or start a flame war. 93 rag top did a good job of purchasing the necessary equipment to do a proper comparative analysis. This is something I refused to do as I felt that a professional tuner (anyone who charges $260.00 should be a professional tuner) should be able to make my car at least run properly.

The only "facts" I had to support my claim was a car that ran like complete crap. I openly admit that I failed to inform Jesse to remove my code for a missing AIR system (part of the emissions system). However, the car did run a 12.6 at 110 miles per hour which I would assume would lead one to believe that any car in "limp home mode" would not do.

I completely empathize with you 93 - I know exactly where you stand.

I also completely agree with Tom Wong and his recommendation for an Accel Gen 7+ DFI system - something I'll be doing with my newly acquired '96.

I do think Jesse is a good-hearted guy as several forum members can attest to. Do I think I paid too much ($600.00+) for a chip I can't use? Yes.

If there's one thing I can say Jesse, it's that no matter how knowledgeable we "think" we are, we always have something to learn and obviously, programming speed density cars are an area in which you can improve.

I have my original Ed Wright stage II chip with Jesse's tune on it if someone wants to take a look at it...

 

I don't reccomend getting aftermarket dfi or anything of the sort. I've got BB502's (see roy fenders 70 Chevelle featured in Chev High performance last month), aftercooled 15psi t-trim cars (my personal car, drives like a factory car), turbo cars, 10 second cars all runing on the factory efi. Craig Moates's big HP small block is running factory 730 electronics with a little help on the base file from me.

Factory ecu's can even be taught to use 2 bar map sensors for up to 15psi of boost. I've got the 92-93's hacked to use a 2 bar map sensor and dataloging wb02's just like the DFI stuff.

You can even do real live tuning on the factory ecu just like DFI.

DFI is great for race cars, but it takes a good tuner to get them to run on the street with nice factory like manners. Most people get DFI thinking its the solve all to DIY efi tuning and they usually get themselves in way over their heads.

If you want to do your own tuning and don't want to go too far over your head than see craig moates, get all your tuning equipment, and start playing.

 

Again you guys fail to see that there is 20 hp difference.....some of you are on a witch hunt to discredit me and its been tried time and time again.

Regardless of what I try to explain, or try to do, there will always be the "critics" and experts that think they know more and can get better results.

At the end of the day, there are MANY people on here that have greatly benefited in every aspect of the performance rehlm with my tunes...lets not forget those guys. All the tunes are put together the same method, are you suggesting that these guys also are running "stock" bin with nothing more than a fan switch changed.

I am done defending myself not because of the fact that I couldn't, but rather because with some of you will continue to hear what you desire to hear - which is your free right.

So while there are more false accusations here than I can count, the fact that my tune compared to a "inperson dyno" done tune was only 20hp down. As I clearly stated, that is not too damn bad. So that begs the question, if the tune in question was so similiar to stock, why did he only gain 20hp more? Any common sense thinking person is going to ask that question to themself or is there more than meets the eye And NO, this group of people trying to continually discredit me, would be the last group of people I would share any of this with.

In the end, DO NOT forget all the people that post TERRIFIC results from my tunes. Or are they all running stock bins as well. Right now there are several in the first few pages of the different sections of this forum.

 

Imagine how good they would run if they where actually tuned? Or do you only do this on the 93 cars?

I can understand a bad tune here an there.. but damn.. As far as Im' concerned you are a scam artist.

Heres the proof.


Anyone see anything fishy about that? I guess thats his conservative tune for a hotcammed LT1 ?!

 

PS.. for those who haven't had the pleasure of using tunercat...

The zeros reflect no change from the compare file.. in this case a stock BAFM chip pulled down from John at tunercat.

 

After reading the thread, the title should have been ski-down-it vs dyno tune or 21 hp vs $250

 

What a rip off!

Wow I'm glad a fellow forum member was nice enough to burn my chips free for me

 

PS..

Everyone over at speeddensity.org (a 92-93 LT1 site who was sponsering the dyno day) can attest to the dyno being 20 hp low that day.. so while 93 only did 20 more than your chip.. he probally was actually 40 more..

One guy in particular put headers on his car and picked up .4 tenths at the strip, went back on the same day that 93 was there and actually made less hp than a year ago at the same place.. You should know that a dyno is a before and after deal. You don't expect to get consistant results from dyno to dyno or even from day to day for that matter.

 

Ski, we're not trying to discredit you, we're pissed because we paid good money for a poor tune and we have no recourse because you adhere to a "strict no refunds policy".

It's not personal, if I went into any store and received a product like the one I received, I'd demand my money back from them as well.

 

well that is pretty cold blooded! and unabashedly self-serving too. Let's keep the thread civil, please.

 

OK, this is getting a little out of hand.

93 ragtop had his say, but now everyone else is joining the lynchmob.

A reminder from the administrators:

and having said that, this one is done.