Engine oil cooler warning!
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From: Hesperia California
I was putting my new motor together today and when I primed it with a drill, I saw oil dripping from my oil cooler. I took the filter off and dropped the cooler. I received a new O ring with the Victor gasket kit and upon looking closer it appears to be too small in diameter to seal anything. No part store shows a gasket O ring for an oil cooler. It was too late to call Chevrolet.
After reading this, I am wondering if I should delete it. If so, what is involved? Is it a matter of changing a plate inside the housing and plugging the water off!
I am concerned now. New motor!
Thanks!!
After reading this, I am wondering if I should delete it. If so, what is involved? Is it a matter of changing a plate inside the housing and plugging the water off!
I am concerned now. New motor!
Thanks!!
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Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
Damn, Pete! You'd had nothing but expensive lessons lately! Thanks for passing on the info...Hope your vette's back up soon 
Time and money will fix it for sure. It could always be worse. I usually learn alot from these "tests of patiece". I will be wiser in the end.
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Originally Posted by Movnviolation
I was putting my new motor together today and when I primed it with a drill, I saw oil dripping from my oil cooler. I took the filter off and dropped the cooler. I received a new O ring with the Victor gasket kit and upon looking closer it appears to be too small in diameter to seal anything. No part store shows a gasket O ring for an oil cooler. It was too late to call Chevrolet.
After reading this, I am wondering if I should delete it. If so, what is involved? Is it a matter of changing a plate inside the housing and plugging the water off!
I am concerned now. New motor!
Thanks!!
After reading this, I am wondering if I should delete it. If so, what is involved? Is it a matter of changing a plate inside the housing and plugging the water off!
I am concerned now. New motor!
Thanks!!
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Oil temp often is 10-30 degrees over engine coolaant temp. Cooler, even poor design factory type does a decent job of cooling. Lower oil temp ( to a point) increases engine life. Oil cooler is like an auto trans cooler. The trans will live without an aux cooler. It will usually live quite a bit longer with a good cooler.
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From: OBAMA IS HITLER
hmmmm......i think i'll keep mine then.
if i was movnviolation, i would take your advice and use an oil filter gasket....that would be the round o-ring style and not the flat style, right? to movnviolation - i don't mean to speak for you, just talking out loud to myself
if i was movnviolation, i would take your advice and use an oil filter gasket....that would be the round o-ring style and not the flat style, right? to movnviolation - i don't mean to speak for you, just talking out loud to myself
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From: Hesperia California
Pete K
You are da man!! I read you're post and ran right out there and pulled a new filter off the shelf and sure nuff the gasket fit in there like it was made for it. Put it on. The gasket sticks up higher than the O ring. Should seal fine!
To tired to mess with building up pressure tonight.
What should this be torqued to, any ideas?
Thanks again! God I love this forum!!!!
You are da man!! I read you're post and ran right out there and pulled a new filter off the shelf and sure nuff the gasket fit in there like it was made for it. Put it on. The gasket sticks up higher than the O ring. Should seal fine!
To tired to mess with building up pressure tonight.
What should this be torqued to, any ideas?
Thanks again! God I love this forum!!!!
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From: OBAMA IS HITLER
i just off the phone with summitracing and bought a Derale unit for about $79. this is ALOT better than the stock unit at $205 (this is forum discounting plus another extra discount).....will be canceling my acdelco order, pronto.
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From: Scarborough ONTARIO
Originally Posted by bradvette
i just off the phone with summitracing and bought a Derale unit for about $79. this is ALOT better than the stock unit at $205 (this is forum discounting plus another extra discount).....will be canceling my acdelco order, pronto.
oil filter adapter or oil cooler with or without fan,
my engine is completed i drove about 250 miles so far drove great
except little bit tweaking here and there and when i did the bottom end
i reuse the old oil cooler do u suggest me to by a new after market oil cooler with adapter and O-Ring or just upgrade adapter and O-Ring .
Pete, Iam sorry to here with ur engine man i can feel ur pain hope u get
ready for another one and thanks a lot for enlighten us
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From: Indianapolis IN
Originally Posted by bradvette
i just off the phone with summitracing and bought a Derale unit for about $79. this is ALOT better than the stock unit at $205 (this is forum discounting plus another extra discount).....will be canceling my acdelco order, pronto.
Are you going to use a thermostat for warm up?
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From: WilkesBarre PA
Damn Pete sorry to hear more problems. 
When I had the bearing failier with my 396 Lou keept asking me if I had a oil cooler that may have had trapped crap in it from the cam retainer grinding down. He said the same thing about it causing failiers. (Didn't have one then)
I know your going to Beaver next Friday, But a few of us are going to Numedia next Friday since it may be less crowded with the event up the road. We also rented the track on June 18th again. $35 unlimited runs like last year. Good luck 3x's is a charm (worked for me)
When I had the bearing failier with my 396 Lou keept asking me if I had a oil cooler that may have had trapped crap in it from the cam retainer grinding down. He said the same thing about it causing failiers. (Didn't have one then)I know your going to Beaver next Friday, But a few of us are going to Numedia next Friday since it may be less crowded with the event up the road. We also rented the track on June 18th again. $35 unlimited runs like last year. Good luck 3x's is a charm
(worked for me)
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From: The Motor City
Originally Posted by Pete K
Thanks,
Time and money will fix it for sure. It could always be worse. I usually learn alot from these "tests of patiece". I will be wiser in the end.
Time and money will fix it for sure. It could always be worse. I usually learn alot from these "tests of patiece". I will be wiser in the end.
Mick
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From: OBAMA IS HITLER
i got the basic unit DER-15503, to replace the stock one. a fancier unit is unnecessary.
i'm replacing mine as a neceesary precautionary measure since i had metal shavings & chunks pass thru from the severe detonation and piston land failure caused by the irresponsible lack of tuning done to my chip by jesse azzato, who caused it to run horridly lean.
i'm replacing mine as a neceesary precautionary measure since i had metal shavings & chunks pass thru from the severe detonation and piston land failure caused by the irresponsible lack of tuning done to my chip by jesse azzato, who caused it to run horridly lean.
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From: Indianapolis IN
Brad, where are you gonna put it?
I may do this too and am considering an inline thermostat so the car can warm up quicker.
I was looking at this 13 row unit
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33742
I may do this too and am considering an inline thermostat so the car can warm up quicker.
I was looking at this 13 row unit
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33742
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Originally Posted by mseven
Your attitude towards a dilema like this is awesome, and certainly a big pill to have to swallow. While I realize it really is the only positive attitude, its difficult to come to those terms especially in those circumstances. I also appreciatte your thread, in the near future Im tearing mine down, and the thought of an external oil cooler didnt even come to mind. Motors Ive worked on (all mopar) in the past did not have this inc. Thanks for posting this it is appreciatted. I hope you can salvage some of the parts out of those mills and put it back together w/out too much loss. Mick
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Originally Posted by RichS
Damn Pete sorry to hear more problems. When I had the bearing failier with my 396 Lou keept asking me if I had a oil cooler that may have had trapped crap in it from the cam retainer grinding down. He said the same thing about it causing failiers. (Didn't have one then)
I know your going to Beaver next Friday, But a few of us are going to Numedia next Friday since it may be less crowded with the event up the road. We also rented the track on June 18th again. $35 unlimited runs like last year. Good luck 3x's is a charm (worked for me)
When I had the bearing failier with my 396 Lou keept asking me if I had a oil cooler that may have had trapped crap in it from the cam retainer grinding down. He said the same thing about it causing failiers. (Didn't have one then)I know your going to Beaver next Friday, But a few of us are going to Numedia next Friday since it may be less crowded with the event up the road. We also rented the track on June 18th again. $35 unlimited runs like last year. Good luck 3x's is a charm
(worked for me)
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From: Kempner Texas
Here's the one I installed a few years ago.
DERALE DER-15800 Electra-Cool Remote Oil Cooler ($147.95) featuring:
16 Pass flow pattern - non restrictive copper tubing
10" Reversible Electric fan - swept wing blade design
Satin black powder coat finish on core
Billet brackets anodized clear to preserve appearance of -8 AN male fittings
Unit measures 16" wide, 10" tall, 4-7/8" deep
DERALE DER-15719 Oil Control Thermostat ($41.95)
DERALE DER-15700 Hi-Temp Hose 1/2" ID ($14.95 for 10 feet)
DERALE DER-15720 - Chevy V8 Oil Sandwich Adapter Kit ($34.95)
DERALE DER-15712 - 4 1/2" MPT Hose Barbs (2 @ $4.95)
Jake
DERALE DER-15800 Electra-Cool Remote Oil Cooler ($147.95) featuring:
16 Pass flow pattern - non restrictive copper tubing
10" Reversible Electric fan - swept wing blade design
Satin black powder coat finish on core
Billet brackets anodized clear to preserve appearance of -8 AN male fittings
Unit measures 16" wide, 10" tall, 4-7/8" deep
DERALE DER-15719 Oil Control Thermostat ($41.95)
DERALE DER-15700 Hi-Temp Hose 1/2" ID ($14.95 for 10 feet)
DERALE DER-15720 - Chevy V8 Oil Sandwich Adapter Kit ($34.95)
DERALE DER-15712 - 4 1/2" MPT Hose Barbs (2 @ $4.95)
Jake
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From: Kempner Texas
Originally Posted by Pete K
Thanks for the good word. Lately other things have been poor for me. Wife is having serious medical issues. This puts the whole car bs into perspective. 10 years ago I would have handled it differently. Like it or not I geuss I have finally grown up. Besides I am goona beat the tar out of the v-rod at the local dragstrip tonight.
Jake
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Originally Posted by Movnviolation
Pete K
You are da man!! I read you're post and ran right out there and pulled a new filter off the shelf and sure nuff the gasket fit in there like it was made for it. Put it on. The gasket sticks up higher than the O ring. Should seal fine!
To tired to mess with building up pressure tonight.
What should this be torqued to, any ideas?
Thanks again! God I love this forum!!!!
You are da man!! I read you're post and ran right out there and pulled a new filter off the shelf and sure nuff the gasket fit in there like it was made for it. Put it on. The gasket sticks up higher than the O ring. Should seal fine!
To tired to mess with building up pressure tonight.
What should this be torqued to, any ideas?
Thanks again! God I love this forum!!!!
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From: OBAMA IS HITLER
JAKE, relating to LD85's question as to where the oil thermostat goes, I have no idea. As per my post I got the DER-15503 unit. I didn't get all that other stuff like you did. Just the oil cooler unit. What differently needs done (fabricating or otherwise) to accomodate this thing vs. the stock direct replacement (which I obviously opted not to get)?
Edit: I just re-read your parts list agin, and see that you got a "remote" unit. This seems to explain the longer parts list.
I still have the same basic question though........
Edit: I just re-read your parts list agin, and see that you got a "remote" unit. This seems to explain the longer parts list.
I still have the same basic question though........
Last edited by Red Tornado; May 20, 2005 at 11:47 PM.