Jesse, orderding a custom tune and getting a (safe) product has nothing to do with automotive prowess. You need to put a check on your testoserone level and quit acting like a bigshot. I had professionals rebuild and an excellent mechanic install my engine and tie up the loose ends. I told you time and time again my timing was not advanced 8*, it was retarded 2* globally, BTDC at the dist. (meaning 4* total, BTDC) Timing at the dist. wasn't the problem , it was the timing tables you set up, but the much bigger problem was that you left totally stock programming in where it really counted the most - throughout the entire partial throttle area. This is utter disaster when we're talking speed density. I thought you might have learned that in the TGO forum before they banned you there for life. I see you're stirring up trouble in the Buick forum as well.

Make no mistake Jesse, there are more disgruntled ex-customers of your than you care to realize. I know that because I heard from them shortly after that ugly "mailorder chips unlocked" thread. You don't know about your failures because apparently they didn't tell you. Thats unfortunate, because you think you're better than you really are, as a tuner that is.

Its a shame you had to offer your services like you did to the original post. All this is ever going to do is stir up trouble. You shouldn't get so defensive and nasty, people get offended and they strike back at you. For god's sake, please stop attacking others.....you're the one who inflicted damage and problems on others from your (lack) of tuning. It ok, just admit it....sometimes mistakes are made. You won't - and never - do that. You keep blaming everyone else, and everything else. Thats also very unfortunate.

Have a great evening.

 

Oh yes I do know YOU from a hole in the ground

Since you are referencing links try this one. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1045899

Jesse, since we are in the tuning section and as you have said before, I and many others, Nathan, Scorp, just to name a few are to simple to understand your tuning methods, maybe you could explain how your tune was supposed to work.

As stated earlier you made NO VE TABLE CHANGES, OR NO TIMING TABLES CHANGES JUST TO NAME A FEW. Now everyone that I have spoke to knows these need to be changed on a SD hot cam car .

Please explain to everyone here why you choose not to change these on mine after I complained for a year to you about it, sent the performance chip back 3 times and the emissions chip back twice.

 

We don't need all this kind of talk. I would prefer to program my own chip but do not know how. Probably will never learn at this rate either. My 383 is still sitting on the stand in shortblock form. I have to get the heads back on the Formula before I can work on this motor. I would like to be able to do the tune on the 88 IROC and this Formula. With 3 cars it would cost me a fortune to tune them all. I built the ALDL cable for my car and it works with my laptop and WinALDL. I want to put it on the dyno before and after the tune to see the difference in horsepower.

Maybe if AZZATOCHIPS wants to prove something he can tune my car for free or help me do it myself and I can post the Dyno numbers once they are run?

I know, wishfull thinking.

Anyways guys, it will be a couple of months before I will have my car together. Was just trying to get a jump on things but I guess that is impossible.

 

What is the number of the chip that I need? I should be able to get them cheap at an electronics supply place clode to my work.

 

Don't let all this get you too discouraged. once you get going come back to ask specific questions and someone should be able to help no problem.

Getting the equipment to tune yourself isn't that bad at all. If you want to tune yourself let me reccomend some websites.

Software
www.tunercat.com
www.ttspowersystems.com (winaldl is very nice also)

Hardware
www.moates.net
www.xtronics.com


Moates has a kit to put a flashable chip into your 85. That way you don't have to deal with UV light erasers nor do you need to track down 2732A chips (getting harder every day)

Moates also has a emulator called a ostrich that works well with tunercat RT that allows you to tune REAL TIME.. You can real-time tune all of your cars, which in my opinion is better than aftermarket fuel injection.

 

Insane1, please allow me to provide straight advice. What I should have said at the start was simply to go to pcmforless.com and talk to Alvin Anderson. Taking Jesse off the table, here are my reasons:

1. I have personal experience with both, and I fully support and recommend www.pcmforless.com without reservation. You WILL be satisfied, I'll hang my hat on it.

2. Alvin provides a piggyback chip to attach to your stock chip. There are obvious advantages here.

3. Cost is $150 for the tune you're looking for. This includes as many interations as needed to satisfy the customer. New mods beyond then require an additonal $50. Turn-around is usually 1-2 days, max. Superb deal.

4. Alvin tunes for a living. He has a passion for it. He immerses himself daily on this forum as a real supporting vendor. He's very professional, intelligent, no-nonsense, very efficient, and very good at what he does. There are no "mistakes" to fear. Believe me, I'm paranoid by nature and this guy made it good the first time around. Understandby, I was pretty flipped out after what I had experienced with the "other guy"
(huge expense $$ for a 2nd engine rebuild), so Alvin spent an inordinate amount of time, poured his vast experience in making sure the 1rst iteration was a great, safe tune to build on. And he did just that. This meant EVERYTHING, given the risk I was about to take again. Speed density (since I have a '90) REQUIRES a good deal more know-how and binary code changes.

5. His communication is fast, and he always responds. You won't hang in the wind.

You can take everything I said above to the bank. So there's my recommendation, straight up Good luck!

 

ttspowersystems doesn't have software to log the 85. I am pretty much stuck with WinALDL


I allready have a PocketProgrammer and chip erasure.

 

My fault, I didn't even think about that.. Yes the 85 seems to be a red-headed step child when it comes to datalogging software. Winaldl is pretty cool though, I like the way it maps out knock counts. Its damn handy.

You might still want to check out moates.net for that adapter I was talking about.. I dont' know about you but I find the 2732 to be a extreme pain in the ****. With that ~$30 adapter you can use a flashable (no UV erase needed) chip that pretty much will never go bad.

 

When you look at the adaptor Alvin mentioned, also look into gettint it with a ZIF socket, this makes it much easier to do chip changes after burning.
Alvin is right about the "nifty" things in WinALDL, like the "heads up" display for RPM & speed. Its too bad the author doesn't have the need to make it 8192 baud, it would really be THE data logging software then.

 

My favorite thing about winaldl is the summarized BLM/o2/Knock count tables. Those things are so useful.

To bad my laptop refuses to run winaldl. I have to break out the old win98 machine.

 

93

Ok lets assume that your chip has NOTHING changed in it.

Then why the comments that it ran perfect? Or that is put you into the 11s? or that Alvin only got a few more hp than my chip?

That makes NO sense at all if nothing was supposedly changed.

Makes more sense that you were screwing around with the chips in your "new" programmer and screwed things up.

Again these are YOUR comments - not mine.

93ragtop:
"Mine is dead on the money. The only change I am going to get, (someday) is to get him to raise the rev. limiter. Im wanting a 383 and that will eventually give me an excuse to build it. Sooner then later.

93ragtop:
"Well Jesse burned a chip for my setup and it ran perfect. After it warms up it will idle at 750rpm, and seems to have no issues at all.
Now if you dont mind me "braggin" just a little Id like to tell you how well the car ran.
On street tires I ran a best of a 12.67 at a 112.43 mph and a 60ft 2.16. I switched over to a set of ET Streets 26x11.50x17 and ran a best of 11.963 at 113.69mph with a 60ft time of 1.665. My wife ran a 12.11 at 114.43 mph. I guess my additional 80 lbs does slow me down some
If it wasnt for Jesse this would have never happened. Besides his great work, he absolutely jumped through hoops to see that I got to go on monday. He didnt receive the chip until saturday, feb. 28th He then programned it, and mailed it back express so I received it on friday march 5th. I cant imagine how anyone could give better service then he does. Its apperant to me that not only is he a true professional in this field and knows his programning well, but he is totally committed to helping out in any way he can.
If any of you are needing chip programning he is the man to see!! "

So again either you don't know what your talking about, and can't distinguish between a good running car and a poor running car, or your just lying.

As for sending the bin to others. As I said, god knows what you did to it when you were playing with it in your programmer.

Bradvette. (hot 90 or whatever ). Your mechanic is a real gem yeah. That is why I had to tell you over a phone that he did NOT have your transmission installed right.

What sorta great mechanic put a transmission and motor assembly in and doesn't take it for a ride to make sure EVERYTHING is good with the car before giving it back to the customer? What you described was the dash going crazy, the car stalling at every stop, etc. YEAH that is a good mechanic that calls it quites on a motor/tranny job that acts like that.

As I said before...you are pretty nieve if you think that EVERYONE can't see the laughter in that one.

And its not that I am being vendictive of you two, its just that its only fair that the WHOLE story behind these allegations are shared. When EVERYTHING is put out on the table - it gets to be pretty funny if you ask me. Coupled with the fact that I have TONS of others running some of the best times on this and other boards its almost laughable.

And if you have not recognized the fact that with this sport/hobby. Few things are used to measure success other than RESULTS; talk is cheap as you can see from your own previous posts above.

 

Jesse, I'm sorry you still don't have it straight. I really hate hijacking this thread any further, the other gentlemen are giving good info with the issues at hand.

Ok, in the interest of not letting you continue to mis-state the facts in my regard:

- Tranny: was installed perfectly, the oversight was the VSS was inadvertently left disconnected and threw me into limp home mode. Actually this point was made by YOU, and I always thanked you for that

- Car stalling: bad IAC, we fixed that with a new one.

- Dash going crazy: actually it was only the tach, I have a '90 which has a hybrid dash, which means the whole dash never goes crazy. The problem was a bad tach filter, and I solved that myself.

All these points have NOTHING to do with your (lack) of chip tuning and the destruction it caused. Period. We already went thru all this in the "mailorder chips unlocked" thread. So please stop repeating false information.

Now that this has been cleared up (for the 2nd or 3rd time), I'm done and I apologize to anyone thrown off by this nonsense

 

[QUOTE
93ragtop:
"Mine is dead on the money. The only change I am going to get, (someday) is to get him to raise the rev. limiter. Im wanting a 383 and that will eventually give me an excuse to build it. Sooner then later.

93ragtop:
"Well Jesse burned a chip for my setup and it ran perfect. After it warms up it will idle at 750rpm, and seems to have no issues at all.
Now if you dont mind me "braggin" just a little Id like to tell you how well the car ran.
On street tires I ran a best of a 12.67 at a 112.43 mph and a 60ft 2.16. I switched over to a set of ET Streets 26x11.50x17 and ran a best of 11.963 at 113.69mph with a 60ft time of 1.665. My wife ran a 12.11 at 114.43 mph. I guess my additional 80 lbs does slow me down some
If it wasnt for Jesse this would have never happened. Besides his great work, he absolutely jumped through hoops to see that I got to go on monday. He didnt receive the chip until saturday, feb. 28th He then programned it, and mailed it back express so I received it on friday march 5th. I cant imagine how anyone could give better service then he does. Its apperant to me that not only is he a true professional in this field and knows his programning well, but he is totally committed to helping out in any way he can.
If any of you are needing chip programning he is the man to see!! "


Looks like a happy customer to me.. I said this before and I will say it again. I had a Local tunner here in town test Ski-Dwn-It chip on his dyno. The guys name is TJWONG. Very well known guy on the forum and has a wealth of knowlege and a dyno. We pluged in the LMI and into the header, And ran the baby. No knock counts A/F was 12.5-6 straight across the line. I asked Tom what I could do to gain anything and he said its on the money. This is a a tuner that tested anouther tuners chip. And Like I said proof is in the pudding. I ran a 11.58 she will do better this fall. That was in not so good air. Take the car to englishtown and I might run a 11.3?

 

corvette0096, thats great news for you People are human and sometimes they make mistakes. The one in question here is obviously too arrogant to admit it. Its just a matter of taking responsibility. My experience was a total failure because my chip was left with stock programming, left totally untouched in the VE tables. In SD, that's a huge error condition, no added fuel will fry an engine, well it did in mine anyway. You dont have that risk/problem with MAF. I know of another guy who had a 383 and mods similar to yours, MAF, and ran his stock chip in it for many years with no engine problems at all.

Solution for me? Had a 2ND rebuild at considerable expense (again), and went with another tuner.....in my case, pcmforless.....and the results have been fabulous, like I said in another thread the difference is night and day

 

I find this so funny brad that you insist that you mechanic did a knock up job, yet you list TONS of things that he did not complete. What else did he NOT complete? Oh that is right, I was suppose to fix all these issues with my chip right.

As for starting crap in a thread, I think you guys need to go back and read who started the crap. DON'T act as if your innocent and I am the one out to get you guys. If you think I am wrong, check out the other post where YOU again bash me publically. I think that you were warned of this before if I am not mistaken.

Its a pretty simple concept you BOTH need to learn. Promote whoever, whatever or anything you feel - but don't bash me, unless you want it right back at you. You have both proven that your incompetent to even produce a straight story, let alone pass judgement. Go back and READ your own statements. "know how do I check the timing?" "What VSS cable? You sure its not the chip?" "I have 10.5 compression, oopps no its 11.5, no its 11.0...." or best of all. Or your general statement that you hear knock but don't have the brains to quite hammering on it until the problems are fixed! I think one of our other VERY competent members asked you that one.

Your lack of brains does not have anything to do with my tune you recieved or lack of understanding of what your talking about with regards to it.

As you have seen and will continue to see, there are other people out there with OTHER setups MUCH more radical than either of yours running my stuff with GREAT success.

Here is one comment for a guy with a 91:

"I finally got the car on the dyno. The chip that Jesse Azzato burned for me performed as expected. Perfect! Thanks Jesse."

or another 90+ user:

"sent my chip half way round the world to Ski, bit worried about the postal service, but no probs, couldn't be happier. "

Again as corvette0096 said, these don't sound like upset people. Only difference is they know have something that is put together right and have enough sense and knowledge to have the car right.

But don't take my word for it, listen to the voices of the people that have them like corvette0096. I think the dyno results and his comments speak volumes and point out one HUGE common denominator in all the success stories. These guys have their cars in tip top shape, as I assume they are when the chip is designed for the car. If you don't have it right, like your vss cable, their is NOTHING that I can do to make these things right. My best suggest to both of you guys is take the time you spend harping about me and spend it on your car and you might have something worth talking about.

As a result of these guys having everything perfect, when the chip goes in, it does what it should and you get OUTSTANDING results. Like corvette0096 11.5sec, Ralph 10.9s, Insanity bottom 11s, corky 10.2s, me 10.3s, 85vet 11.2s, hooked up 10.0s, and the list goes ON AND ON!

I am done once again argueing with you two. I do appologize to insane1 for this uprising in your post. As a result, I would be more than happy to help you with your tune 100% free of charge for the troubles. Just let me know.

 

Brad the MORE you talk the more you prove that you know NOTHING about what your talking about. Lets take a look at EXACTLY what you just said.

Original quote is above for everyone to see:

"My experience was a total failure because my chip was left with stock programming, left totally untouched in the lower VE table."

So your saying that I left your LOWER VE table untouched and that is why your motor is ruined! Let me clue you in on a little tid-bit of information brad. The LOWER VE table only goes from 400rpm to 1600rpm!

So your telling us all that your motor burned up at basically idle.

As I said again and you clearly demonstate here....you have NO friggin clue what your talking about. And prove that YOUR lack of knowledge is REALLY the root of your problems.

Stop while your ahead.

Here is a picture if it helps you realize your a fool.



If you wish to argue more, I can make you look like a bigger fool if you choose...at this point I have no problem with doing so.

 

Jessie, why dont you quit your lieing. You know I wrote that after immediatly putting the heads cam and headers on the car. Drove it 1.5 miles and loaded it on a trailer. Took it to a track with Rain Delay. He verified all of this. AS STATED BEFORE THE CAR RUNS FINE AT WOT WITH THE STOCK TUNE OR YOUR TUNE. it just runs so rich. I sent the chip back to you 3 times and the emissions chip 2 times. I even took it to a local dyno (excessive motorsports) and sent you the sheets showing where your chip was running so rich. The dyno operator even advised me not to run your chip as in time it would damage the motor. You kept telling me that the problem was something else with my car. Your tuning was fine. Jesse I sent the dyno sheets and datamaster scans to two very reputable tuners and they all agreed it was your tuning that was screwed up.
After realizing that your were never going to get it tuned properly I decided to buy a programmer and rewritable chips from moates. I tried to read and ask questions on this forum, got some useful info such as TJWONG saying that the ve tables must be adjusted on a speed density hotcam car. I read your chip and that is when I realized you had ripped me off. You did not do squat on the ve tables, timing tables etc.

Jesse, I dont even own a chip eraser. You know I did not erase your chip and reprogram it. Statements like that just shows how much you Point the finger at someone else instead of admitting you dont know how to program a speed density hot cam car. You know I have tried to answer every question you have posed.

WHY DONT YOU DO THE SAME, QUIT DANCING AROUND THE ISSUES AND ANSWER THE QUESTION. AT LEAST I HAVE DONE THAT FOR YOU

Again, Jesse why dont you answer this question since we are on a tuning board now. Why not change the timing or ve tables on my car?

 

Jesse,

One other thing. As stated earlier, if you do not own a legimate business and you are NOT A SUPPORTING VENDER why dont you do the honorable thing and QUIT SCABBING FOR BUSINESS WITHOUT SUPPORTING THE FORUM

 

oh my jesse, you're having quite a time of it i see. ok 2 things:

1. i never got a chance to HAMMER it, as i said before.....i never made it past 4,000 rpms (edit: for a brief sec. just to shift......all normal driving @ mid-2,000 rpm range). thats not the defintion of HAMMERING. didn't i expain this as well, previously.

2. lower VE table.....yes, sorry my mistake. no need to hang on the sematics, the fact is you left the whole damn set of tables, lower and upper, untouched. THAT's your crime, not mine.

lots of name calling on your behalf.

i'm sure the the admins are going to love your aimless attacks here in this thread.

if you sleep well at night, i'm glad for you.......if i were in your shoes i would have alot of trouble doing so

this is all i'm going to say have a great day.

 

Oh Brad,,,how is it not surprising that your story changes AGAIN - after you took the time to BOLD face the LOWER VE table in your original post.

Dude your story changes EVERY time I call you out on your "knowledge" of what your talking about.

Just like 93ragtop. a uv eraser is not necessary for flash type proms my friend. All you need to do is hit program and whooola its overwritten. Again more of your unknowledge - and reason why you two babbling about what you think you know is so funny.

Brad please explain to us all with your vast knowledge how one burns up a motor at idle.

Between the two of you some of us have given up our daytime reading of the funnies. This more than makes up for it. Next thing you know you will be posting a question asking where, when, and how to change your headlight fluid. And in Brads case, shortly thereafter he will then tell someone else how to build a performance based motor. By the way brad what does that "hot 90" run? One of my callers last night asked me that question....so people are wondering. IT has to be pretty impressive I am sure.