I will be installing a 383 in the next couple of months and was wondering if anyone here can program the chip or give me some direction on doing it myself? I have a Pocket Programmer and could burn the chip myself if I only knew what I needed to change.

 

When I put a modded 350 in my 85 i decided to go with the 165 ECM because it was a better supported ECM and easier to program (being better supported)

 

I don't want to race the thing. I just want it to run correctly.

 

I purchased a chip burner, cats program etc, and decided the knowledge to change what needs to be changed was going to take me to long to learn. Cant help it, im slow. Anyways I ended up paying to have mine programmed. If your up for the task of doing it yourself there are a lot of helpful people on this forum as well as TGO to help with programming. You just need to ask specific questions. I wish there was a book on this subject but there dosnt seem to be. You just have to get bits and pieces of info. from several different sources and then put it together.
By the way, if you have a burner you can contack Alvin, at www.pcmforless.com and I believe he will sell you just the bin file and you can load it yourself. I have been extremely satisified with his services.

 

You need to get TunerCATS software including the definition file.
Purchase a ePROM programmer from Transtronics and an eraser.
Get a supply of chips to program. They have a finite programming cycle and won't work after awhile. You can also get a "on-the-fly" programmer that Trantronics offers....although I have one and have never gotten it to work on my car. I have played with the TunerCATS software for a few years, off and on, and have yet to master the tuning.

 

Try talking to SKI-DOWN-IT spelling maybe wrong but he is on here all the time and I built a 406 for my vette that I need to finish up, but he seem to know everything about a maf car!!!! Jesse Azzato is his name by the way....GOOD LUCK Mike

 

I have the programmer and eraser allready. I would like to do it myself but I don't have a clue where to start at.

 

Ahhh yes. That's the clincher. You will find people are hesitant to give you that info...or at least that's what I experineced in the past. Also, in 1985, the tables for adjustment are criptic than the tables used in the 165 ECMs. The ones I tweaked were the pulse width and MAF tables. I never got good results. Either it resulted in too much gas or not enough. That's why I'm going back to near stock setup and I'm going to be installing a 12psi supercharger kit that I got from Carrol Supercharing 3 years ago. It was designed to work on a stock 85. Time to drive her not spend countless hours modding, and modding and modding. LOL

 

I haven't had any problems with 85's so far tuning. For being such a ancient system it does pretty good.

I would suggest to get chipped. Moates.net offers a kit to use a standard flash chip. This way your not burning threw 2732 chips. One SF512 or 29C256 chip should last you a lifetime.

 

From what I've seen the knowledge is what u pay for!!!!!!!!! Mike

 

Insane1, if your looking for a good starting point for the tuning of your 85, I would be happy to help you out.

I have been doing 85 ECMs for a while now and contrary to what most say about the 85 ECMs - I think they are best suited for performance applications. The reason is they have the bare bone essentials to control the "important" items without a bunch of coding that is taylored towards emmission controls. In other words, when you tell the ECM to run X amount of fuel, it will for the most part run X amount of fuel. Whereas the later model ECM have much coding/trimming that takes place when certain events may occure - which can have a negative effect on performance.

That is sorta deep and general, but what I am saying is you have a good platform to learn with - and don't be duped into thinking a new ECM is going to make life great for tuning. If anything due to the MANY more parameters it will just be more confusing and overwhelming for a starter to learn from.

Good luck

 

Proof is in the pudding.. See Sig.

 

Vernon, I sent you a pm. Please take the time to read it. It is in your interest to do so.

 

Look if your going to bash me...at least you could do is have the ***** to do it publically...and you might want to take into account these posts that you made on your own free will too.

Pay particular attention to post #14 Oh thats right...the other guy got a few more HP in person on his dyno...that is what changed your mind.. But I am the worst person in the world to you.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...m_id=48&arch=1

And lets not forget this one: should make for more interesting reading...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...m_id=48&arch=1

Save the remarks and excuses why you posted these....we all know your full of BS and your actions that you keep going around "trying" to make me look bad just proves the point more....

And lastly you might want to look that the MANY other posts that are out there that say EXACTLY the opposite of what you two keep reporting. They are nicely collected here for all to see

http://www.azzatochips.com/azzato_taylor_chips2.htm

 

Well Jesse, I was trying to keep this civil and keep this thread from being locked like so many of the other past ones have been. By the way still waiting on my refund we discussed and then you droped.

Since it is killing you to know what I sent Vernon I copied and pasted it here for you to see.

But before reading why dont you consider this. Start a legimate business and support this forum and QUIT SCABBING ON THIS FORUM FOR BUSINESS. That way we as disgruntled customers have a forum to report back to in the event of bad business. Or are you afraid of getting banned like you did from the TGO forum. :o


Well anyways here it is.

Vernon, I am sending you this to try and prevent the same problems I and many others have experienced with Azzato Chips, or Ski dwn it or whatever he chooses to call himself.
I paid close to 400 dollars for a performance chip and a emissions chip. He did nothing with the ve tables or for that matter practically any tuning other then the standard things like lowering fan on and off, raising rev limiter. etc. He at one time promised a refund and then cut off talks about refunding my money. I worked with him for a year sending the performance chip back 3 times and the emissions chip back 2 times. Jesse is a rip off plain and simple. By the way, I purchased a chip reader and guess what, the 2 chips are identical.
IMO go with pcmforless, tjwong, or fastchip. Do yourself a favor and stay away from Jesse.
If you wish to discuss this with me please contact me. Also if you would like direct links to several of the locked threads please let me know.
This may sound harsh but he ripped me off of close to 400 dollars and a lot of grief over the car.

 

Its not killing me and its not at all surprising and it Exactly my point!

Meanwhile for months you were braggin about my chip, until that is you had someone else tell you he got a few more HP from it in person. and a WHOLE .1sec quicker! Whooopie! Now I am satans right hand man!

I think there is enough here for everyone to see what is TRUELY going on. Keep up the good work. So far on this forum you have proven 1 thing...you know how to stir up trouble and to run people down! THAT IS IT. Meanwhile those your continually running down are the ones that are making things and offering TRUE advice and help, which is what these forums are for. NOT for you couple of guys that "think" you know what your talking about.

And will appologize to the original poster of the post since he was caught up in the middle of it all. At the end of the day though insane1, remember these forums are FULL of people that think they know what they are doing. And will conclude with the advice that while frequenting these boards remember as Corvette0096 said, "The proof is in the pudding." And add to that, the more you do that other can't, the more you will experience it.......

 

Jesse How many times have i said the car runs quite well on a stock tune or your tune at full throttle. It is at idle and part throttle that you suck. Your chips have no part throttle or idle tuning done to them. By the way, I do have to give you credit as you have never denied this. Now we are in the tuning forum and I believe anyone who has any tuning experience will attest that these have to be addressed on a speed density hot cam car. You made no VE table adjustments, no timing adjustments etc. which is where a real tuner helps out. My car now idles great thanks to alvin at pcmforless. BLMS are in line with where they should be. Unlike yours with 108 blms and you telling me the problem was with my car.
There as been a host of other people with problems with your tunes or lack there of and if Vernon needs links I will look them up for him. But we can all be glad we helped get your car to run in the 10's with our money.
By the way again WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO BECOME A SUPPORTING VENDER AND QUIT SCABBING ON THE FORUM?

 

Just to kind of help Jesse out, I don't know him, I've never had any dealings with him, but I read alot of his posts, especially over at TGO when I first got into tuning. There were quite a few threads in which he suggested something different as far as tuning goes or state that he tried something new and it worked for him. It would always make me re-think a few of my own "theories", which is what a discussion forum should be used for. Then the bashers would come out of the woodwork and let him have it. Just MY opinion, but you know what they say.
And as far as tuning goes, I like my '870. Not alot of filler to work through, simpler is usually better, there just isn't enough software support.

KC

 

Jesse, I can't believe you're striking out like that again, after the exposure thats been made about you.

I also can't believe you once again established a hot link to your website, that I now see has been updated regarding your chip tuning. You are NOT a supporting vendor, yet you continue using this forum as a public venue to contionue doing business. This is illegal here, you know it and I know it. I am reporting you to the moderators of theis forum to have that link of your COMPLETELY removed, permanently.

As for your tuning abilities, I'll be more than happy to get into this fight and get ugly. I told you before I will be relentless and will never give up telling others about you. It is my right, as its been my experience. Hey, what do you care, right? You don't pay your dues here, and thus are not a legitimate tuner.

To the original post: I'll make it simple. DO NOT go to azzatochips.com for a tune. Instead, may I recommend contacting pcmforless.com immediately for your needs.....my all-out experience has been a DISASTER with azzatochips, and nothing but pure satisfaction and success with pcmforless. To boot, azzatochips will charge you $100 more and take your stock chip. Oh and good luck communicating with Jesse once he has your hard earned $$.......the luck is few and far between.

PM me for vast details.....I have lots to share, and several link that will blow your mind. I won't make them here and end up contributing to a locked thread.

 

Ahh and if it isn't your sidekick. How did I know it wouldn't take long for him to way in.

OK now let me get this straight. My tune ran horrible at part throttle 93ragtop?

Hmm is this not your statement after having run the chip from the one post?

93ragtop:
"Mine is dead on the money. The only change I am going to get, (someday) is to get him to raise the rev. limiter. Im wanting a 383 and that will eventually give me an excuse to build it. Sooner then later. "

Now either you don't know your a$$ from a hole in the ground, or your outright lying. Anyone that cares to see, go to the above post where 93ragtop openly and freely says that " "Mine is dead on the money"

hmmmm? More lies 93ragtop? That CERTAINLY doesn't sound like something I would write if I was seeing all these "problems" with my tune after having driven it. So either you don't know what your talking about or your a liar.

Fact of the matter is this is VERY consistant and NOT consistent with your Theory that I did not change anything on your tune. That AlSO explains why a guy doing the tune in person could only eek a FEW measely HP more out of the tune than mine. And both chips ran within .1sec of one another.

Remember your the one that said it was on the money. God knows what you did to it after you got your "tuning" equipment and found out you know NOTHING about tuning and had to go get another tune to fix what you most likely screwed up.

Bravette (Hot Rod 90) your a friggin joke. PERIOD. You run around here spouting off info like you know something. This is the same guy that it took me 30 minutes on the phone to explain how to set his timing and he found out it was off 8* to the wrong side! Again like 93ragtop I have posted the emails verifying this, but SUDDENLY their stories change and NONE of these events ever took place.

You two must have gone to the same school and it CERTAINLY wasn't automotive school.

You two are among the VERY VERY VERY few that I have ever had an issue with doing these tune. And having read all YOUR conflicting information and it comes as no surprise to me or anyone else I am sure.

The proof is in the pudding guys or should I say your OWN words.