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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 08:20 PM
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Well, I did a bad thing. Had a few hours to kill so I took a test drive of a SSR

As I keep saying to myself that I like my 90 better, I think the thing that would keep me from buying an SSR (besides the $$$) is changing my tranny so it did not shift into 4th so quickly. I would say that it seems to shift into 4th at about 37 MPH. I have 3.73 rear and a MAD DOG tranny. These are not WOT shifts, just regular mild acceleration.

What controls the 700R4 shifting into 4th so soon and can a novice change it?

BTW - I was very impressed with the SSR. It moved very well and handled great too. I would buy one except the wife is going to draw and quarter me if I do. They had a yellow C6 right next to it, but I dared not take it for a test drive (me might like).

The stripped SSR was $37K, and they had one fully loaded (except for the wood kit) for $41.5. Only thing is that even the stripped one was pretty sparse. When I buy something in the 40's I expect climate control and a navigation system. Also the SSR only had dual air bags and I expected more (like side air bags). I guess Chevy is going for that all go and limited luxury segment.

I have heard of people getting these new SSR for low $30k's - which is just about what I think it is worth.
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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 09:42 PM
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My shifts are at 18 , 35, and 50. What are the proper shift points? 50 seems to high and the 30s have to be way low.
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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 10:11 PM
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Try readjusting your TV cable; gibing it one more click can delay it. I've done it before and it worked fine;however I'm no tranny expert so you may want to contact Mad Dog trannies and see what they think.
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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 10:39 PM
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My vote is against adjusting the TV cable as a means of
tweaking shift points.

Check out this link and others that come up in Google
searches on the subject.

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Old Aug 16, 2005 | 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Flame Red
As I keep saying to myself: I like my '90. I think the thing that would help
me decide to keep it is if the transmission could be altered so as not
to shift into 4th prematurely. I would say that it seems to shift into 4th
at about 37 MPH. I have 3.73 rear and a MAD DOG tranny. These are
not WOT shifts, just regular mild acceleration.

What controls the 700R4 shifting into 4th so soon and can a novice change it?
Transgo and B&M both offer valves to modify the 3-4/4-3 up/downshift
characteristics of the 700R4.

The Transgo p/n# is 7-4-VL. I don't see it on the Transgo site but
I do see a p/n# close to it here. An old post that discusses it appears at
the bottom of this '03 thread, it reads - "WITH TYPE 1 Valve Body, if you
want a later high throttle 3-4 upshift or higher speed 4-3 downshift,
install TRANSGO 7-4-VL special 3-4 shift valve."

The B&M p/n# appears to be BMM-70249 at Summit. Click on "B&M TH-700R4
Wide Open Throttle 3-4 Upshift Kits"
for more info.

Edit: You have a '90, these valves may not be appropriate for post-'88
cars. If not, do some research to see whether similar parts exist for
later applications.

However, read the section about burned 3/4 clutches at the bottom
of this page entitled "Alter Shift Quality, When, and If It is Needed"

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Old Aug 16, 2005 | 12:53 AM
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A govenor valve re-weight kit is the proper way to adjust at which speed shifts occur.

They run about $30

The TV cable controls line pressure vs. TPS
The govenor valve controls shift points vs. output shaft speed.
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Old Aug 16, 2005 | 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Slalom4me
My vote is against adjusting the TV cable as a means of
tweaking shift points.

Check out this link and others that come up in Google
searches on the subject.

.

Good post, further

#6. Do not attempt to adjust the shift timing with the throttle valve cable. The shift timing is controlled by the governor springs and weights. For higher shift points at wide-open throttle install lighter springs. For lower shift points at wide-open throttle install stronger springs. After the cable is adjusted the approximate shift points should be 15 to 18, 25 to 30 and 40 to 50 MPH at very light throttle depending on tire size and axle ratio. Light throttle shift points are measured in MPH and full throttle shift points are measured at what RPM. The full throttle 1-2 shift will usually be at a higher RPM than the 2-3 shift. The governor will work with only 1 spring or 2 springs. You can remove one spring to raise the full throttle shift points.

From

http://www.transmissioncenter.net/subject.htm
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Old Aug 16, 2005 | 01:19 AM
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Oops.

I defer to Alvin's superior advice about tuning the governor to
regulate light throttle upshifts.

The 3-4 valve mod targets a different issue.

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