Looking for dyno #'s without cats
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by PLRX787
In 1991 no-one complained to the EPA when Sadam lit up the oil wells. In one second a burning oil well produces more smog than a 72 big block corvette using leaded gas in a lifetime. Just put the cats back for the "smog check" 
If someone said, "Saddam killed all of his wives," does it make it ok to do the same thing?
Just ****ing stupid.
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by Alvin
One thing to think about to those who feel guilt free with thier cat cars.
How are you helping? Your still driving a vette and probally aggressively at that which waste fuel, tire life (part petrolium product), etc. Your still using fuel , your still polluting and more than you could otherwize be doing by driving a EVEN MORE fuel effiecient vehicle or using public transportation.
Heres my take on it, I drive my hotrod less than 3-4k yearly. Its for enjoyment only.. I have a seperate vehicle for day-to-day driving...Reason? well... 1 for comfort and 2. because i'm both enviromentally and economically aware of our situation as a nation. Its not my pocket that hurts when I waste gas but its the pocket of the entire nation. If I where to drive that car to work everyday I would be really concerned with fuel mileage, emmissions, tire pressure, tire wears, etc. but I do not, so I am not.
How are you helping? Your still driving a vette and probally aggressively at that which waste fuel, tire life (part petrolium product), etc. Your still using fuel , your still polluting and more than you could otherwize be doing by driving a EVEN MORE fuel effiecient vehicle or using public transportation.
Heres my take on it, I drive my hotrod less than 3-4k yearly. Its for enjoyment only.. I have a seperate vehicle for day-to-day driving...Reason? well... 1 for comfort and 2. because i'm both enviromentally and economically aware of our situation as a nation. Its not my pocket that hurts when I waste gas but its the pocket of the entire nation. If I where to drive that car to work everyday I would be really concerned with fuel mileage, emmissions, tire pressure, tire wears, etc. but I do not, so I am not.
What you don't know is the exact VOC you ARE spitting out. Modern emissions will put out in 100000 miles what only took 10k miles - or less - in pre emissions vehicles.
poor. very poor.
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Originally Posted by USAsOnlyWay
P.S. I ride a road bike...as in a bicycle...10 months out of every year for my ONLY mode of transportation.
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Originally Posted by 95BlueBomber
Bogus.... I guess you have serious problems with drag cars and pre emissions cars. Oh well. Hope the ozone layer don't collapse on you cause I'm burning a little more fuel.
All I am asking is for us, as hotrodders and gear heads to show a little restraint. Respect the laws that have been established... and they were created for one reason - the automakers and the owners of cars could not be responsible enough to do it themselves.
if we are not careful, we will all get screwed, because we cannot be honest about it and be responsible.
Oh, and if the ozone layer falls on my head, it will take your selfish *** out with it.
I am very blunt about this subject. I don't want stupidity from others to screw it up for all of us.
Drifting
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St. Jude Donor '05
Originally Posted by bogus
even more lame justification for polluting.
What you don't know is the exact VOC you ARE spitting out. Modern emissions will put out in 100000 miles what only took 10k miles - or less - in pre emissions vehicles.
poor. very poor.
What you don't know is the exact VOC you ARE spitting out. Modern emissions will put out in 100000 miles what only took 10k miles - or less - in pre emissions vehicles.
poor. very poor.
Lets stack up my fuel consumption per year vs. yours. Lets also stack up my emmissions per year..
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From: San Pedro CA
Some random facts:
L98 exhaust sucks. The best fix, dual bullet cats, x-pipe and duals out back. It will sound awesome and sniff as clean as a whistle. If you can get an entire LT1 stock system, that would rock, too. Expect a 20~30hp gain. Add 20 more if you add LTs.
The airpump systems only help at startup. After the first mile, the cats are lit. I hate the air pump on the L98. It draws power and only burns valves.
This is also why factory coolant settings are the best bet. You want that engine in the 190s to make sure the engine is sufficently warmed and the metals are equalized.
PCV systems are truely important, versus, sending raw emissions into the air.
LT1 exhaust is very good right from the factory, but bullet cats would help free up another 10hp or so and make it sound better. Again, LTs would add another 20hp or so.
I will not stop discussing this as an option. It seems that there are a lot of people stuck in 1978... thinking that cats are the enemy, when in reality, they are our ally. they make the air clean at a minimal cost. Just loose all the big brother rantings and realize that some laws are really for our betterment.
I know the laws are not perfect nor are they fair, tough ****. But these are real easy to deal with...
I don't care if you drive only 3000 miles a year... the car is tagged for the street, it has to be clean. I am NOT saying it has to be factory, JUST CLEAN.
One day, the feds will mandate CARB like testing in all states... and when that happens, so sorry.
L98 exhaust sucks. The best fix, dual bullet cats, x-pipe and duals out back. It will sound awesome and sniff as clean as a whistle. If you can get an entire LT1 stock system, that would rock, too. Expect a 20~30hp gain. Add 20 more if you add LTs.
The airpump systems only help at startup. After the first mile, the cats are lit. I hate the air pump on the L98. It draws power and only burns valves.
This is also why factory coolant settings are the best bet. You want that engine in the 190s to make sure the engine is sufficently warmed and the metals are equalized.
PCV systems are truely important, versus, sending raw emissions into the air.
LT1 exhaust is very good right from the factory, but bullet cats would help free up another 10hp or so and make it sound better. Again, LTs would add another 20hp or so.
I will not stop discussing this as an option. It seems that there are a lot of people stuck in 1978... thinking that cats are the enemy, when in reality, they are our ally. they make the air clean at a minimal cost. Just loose all the big brother rantings and realize that some laws are really for our betterment.
I know the laws are not perfect nor are they fair, tough ****. But these are real easy to deal with...
I don't care if you drive only 3000 miles a year... the car is tagged for the street, it has to be clean. I am NOT saying it has to be factory, JUST CLEAN.
One day, the feds will mandate CARB like testing in all states... and when that happens, so sorry.
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by Alvin
Lets stack up my fuel consumption per year vs. yours. Lets also stack up my emmissions per year..
I would love to get the numbers...
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Melting Slicks
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You know Bogus I think your little argument with people is pretty bogus. I don't agree with the ease of getting on welfare but I dont pick arguments with everyone who draws it.
I dont have VET testing here so I will continue to run without emissions equipment and pollute all your air. Why dont you just invest in an oxygen mask when you go outside. That would be great. If have the same attitude in person as you do on here, that mask would keep you from speaking your one track mind so much. In that case you might permanently attach it to your face.
U need to take the debate somewhere else and let the forum be a nice joining place for all of us to enjoy. Nobody wants to be harassed everytime they bring this subject up.
I dont have VET testing here so I will continue to run without emissions equipment and pollute all your air. Why dont you just invest in an oxygen mask when you go outside. That would be great. If have the same attitude in person as you do on here, that mask would keep you from speaking your one track mind so much. In that case you might permanently attach it to your face.
U need to take the debate somewhere else and let the forum be a nice joining place for all of us to enjoy. Nobody wants to be harassed everytime they bring this subject up.
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Team Owner
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by 95BlueBomber
You know Bogus I think your little argument with people is pretty bogus. I don't agree with the ease of getting on welfare but I dont pick arguments with everyone who draws it.
I dont have VET testing here so I will continue to run without emissions equipment and pollute all your air. Why dont you just invest in an oxygen mask when you go outside. That would be great. If have the same attitude in person as you do on here, that mask would keep you from speaking your one track mind so much. In that case you might permanently attach it to your face.
U need to take the debate somewhere else and let the forum be a nice joining place for all of us to enjoy. Nobody wants to be harassed everytime they bring this subject up.
I dont have VET testing here so I will continue to run without emissions equipment and pollute all your air. Why dont you just invest in an oxygen mask when you go outside. That would be great. If have the same attitude in person as you do on here, that mask would keep you from speaking your one track mind so much. In that case you might permanently attach it to your face.
U need to take the debate somewhere else and let the forum be a nice joining place for all of us to enjoy. Nobody wants to be harassed everytime they bring this subject up.
hypocrite.
in your own words you are willing to pollute our air. shame on you.
I will not stand idly by and ignore comments and suggestions recommending the disabling of the cats. It's all part of an integrated system.
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Originally Posted by Randy93
Where is the comparision?
I am with Bogus, Some of you are acting like 2yr olds. 'Saddam set the wells on fire' or 'What about those big SUV's', how old are you???
Those SUV's might suck gas, but WHAT does that have to do with what Bogus said?
It will put out a lot less pollutants than your non cat Vette will and for what 5hp maybe!!
But cats are not that restrictive, if you feel you the need to relieve some back pressure, why don't you gut out your muffler?
This is the one site were you have to have a flame suit on and a fire truck standing by, if you make a comment somebody doesn't like!!
And yes, I called 911, before sending this post!!
I am with Bogus, Some of you are acting like 2yr olds. 'Saddam set the wells on fire' or 'What about those big SUV's', how old are you???
Those SUV's might suck gas, but WHAT does that have to do with what Bogus said?
It will put out a lot less pollutants than your non cat Vette will and for what 5hp maybe!!
But cats are not that restrictive, if you feel you the need to relieve some back pressure, why don't you gut out your muffler?
This is the one site were you have to have a flame suit on and a fire truck standing by, if you make a comment somebody doesn't like!!
And yes, I called 911, before sending this post!!
The way I figure it, we gotta take the heat, bro! There are those out there who just don't see the writing on the wall...
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by 95BlueBomber
Come put cats back on my car then Bogus. What are you going to do? I will run without cats no matter what, so get over it!
You are defending the indefenceable. What part of "illegal" don't you understand?
Drifting
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From: Charlotte NC
St. Jude Donor '05
Originally Posted by bogus
nice try. fuel consumption is only part of the equation. what about NOX? CO2?
I would love to get the numbers...
I would love to get the numbers...
Yeah you try beating a LEV honda or 6 cylinder jeep... or even my 00 LS1.. or hell even my mustang that gets 21 mpg strickly in the city.
Last edited by Alvin; Oct 20, 2005 at 04:05 PM.
Drifting
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St. Jude Donor '05
Heres bogus's cars
Chevrolet Corvette
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Auto(4), (FFS) (MPFI), Premium 17 25
$2213
9.5 NA
Chevrolet Corvette
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Man(6), (FFS) (MPFI), Premium 17 25
$2213
9.5 NA
and heres one of my daily drivers
Honda Prelude
4 cyl, 2.2 L, Man(5), (FFS), Regular 24 30
$1577
7.3 NA
and another
Chevrolet Camaro
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Man(6), Premium 18 27
$2106
8.8 NA
So what is bogus doing to help the enviroment? My catless firebird only sees pleasure driving.. (less than 4k last year) I drive a honda or 6 cylinder jeep, or 00 Z28 to work. All of them emmit fewer TONS/yr of greenhouse emmissions than bogus corvette.
That was my point bogus.. quit taking it so damn personal. If your truely worried about the enviroment make sure your driving a fuel friendly vehicle.. or taking public transportation... not ragging a few enthusist about some pleasure vehicles they own
Chevrolet Corvette
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Auto(4), (FFS) (MPFI), Premium 17 25
$2213
9.5 NA
Chevrolet Corvette
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Man(6), (FFS) (MPFI), Premium 17 25
$2213
9.5 NA
and heres one of my daily drivers
Honda Prelude
4 cyl, 2.2 L, Man(5), (FFS), Regular 24 30
$1577
7.3 NA
and another
Chevrolet Camaro
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Man(6), Premium 18 27
$2106
8.8 NA
So what is bogus doing to help the enviroment? My catless firebird only sees pleasure driving.. (less than 4k last year) I drive a honda or 6 cylinder jeep, or 00 Z28 to work. All of them emmit fewer TONS/yr of greenhouse emmissions than bogus corvette.
That was my point bogus.. quit taking it so damn personal. If your truely worried about the enviroment make sure your driving a fuel friendly vehicle.. or taking public transportation... not ragging a few enthusist about some pleasure vehicles they own
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Everytime I see a post degrade to this... I just have to laugh a bit. 
Anyone watch that episode of South Park : Butt-out? For some reason this thread reminded me of it and their portrayol of Rob Reiner. lol
Rob Reiner: Mm. [urp] Uh, we're just leveling out the playing field. [dabs his forehead] The tobacco companies lie to you about the dangers of smoking. If we're gonna take them down, we've gotta lie right back! [begins to sniff around after detecting cigarette smoke, then focuses in on the source. The boys look as well. The source is a man wearing a Buds Light Beer har, enjoying a drink and a smoke at the bar] Oh my God! [coughs loudly, but fails to get the man's attention. He rises from the booth and walks up to the smoker] Excuse me!
BUDS Man: Yes?
Rob Reiner: Would you mind putting that death stick out?!
BUDS Man: But, uh, this is a bar.
Rob Reiner: Isn't smoking illegal in bars here?
Bartender: Not in Colorado
Rob Reiner: Oh my God! What kind of backward hick state is this?!
BUDS Man: Look man, I work fourteen hours a day at the saw mill. I just got off work and I need to relax.
Rob Reiner: Well when I relax I just go to my vacation house in Hawaii!
BUDS Man: [getting irritated] I ain't got a vacation house in Hawaii!
Rob Reiner: Yuh your vacation house in Mexico, then, whatever it is! Look, you are putting my life and these boys' lives in danger by smoking that in here! And I'm not gonna tolerate it! I will end smoking in bars in Colorado! There will be no more smoking here!
http://www.spscriptorium.com/Season7/E713script.htm
Anyone watch that episode of South Park : Butt-out? For some reason this thread reminded me of it and their portrayol of Rob Reiner. lol
Rob Reiner: Mm. [urp] Uh, we're just leveling out the playing field. [dabs his forehead] The tobacco companies lie to you about the dangers of smoking. If we're gonna take them down, we've gotta lie right back! [begins to sniff around after detecting cigarette smoke, then focuses in on the source. The boys look as well. The source is a man wearing a Buds Light Beer har, enjoying a drink and a smoke at the bar] Oh my God! [coughs loudly, but fails to get the man's attention. He rises from the booth and walks up to the smoker] Excuse me!
BUDS Man: Yes?
Rob Reiner: Would you mind putting that death stick out?!
BUDS Man: But, uh, this is a bar.
Rob Reiner: Isn't smoking illegal in bars here?
Bartender: Not in Colorado
Rob Reiner: Oh my God! What kind of backward hick state is this?!
BUDS Man: Look man, I work fourteen hours a day at the saw mill. I just got off work and I need to relax.
Rob Reiner: Well when I relax I just go to my vacation house in Hawaii!
BUDS Man: [getting irritated] I ain't got a vacation house in Hawaii!
Rob Reiner: Yuh your vacation house in Mexico, then, whatever it is! Look, you are putting my life and these boys' lives in danger by smoking that in here! And I'm not gonna tolerate it! I will end smoking in bars in Colorado! There will be no more smoking here!
http://www.spscriptorium.com/Season7/E713script.htm
Le Mans Master
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Jesus guys, calm down.
Bogus, my comment was not directed at you. I just wanted to be left out of the fray. I geuss I was trying to do that by noting the road bike thing. I value your tech knowledge and input. Can't we all just get along?
The original link:
http://dtcc.cz28.com/gta/dyno.htm
Bogus, my comment was not directed at you. I just wanted to be left out of the fray. I geuss I was trying to do that by noting the road bike thing. I value your tech knowledge and input. Can't we all just get along?
The original link:
http://dtcc.cz28.com/gta/dyno.htm
Le Mans Master
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From: Manassas VA
[QUOTE=bogus]Some random facts:
L98 exhaust sucks. The best fix, dual bullet cats, x-pipe and duals out back. It will sound awesome and sniff as clean as a whistle. If you can get an entire LT1 stock system, that would rock, too. Expect a 20~30hp gain. Add 20 more if you add LTs.
But this is not legal. By federal standards you cannot relocate the converter.
On a lighter note, for all of you who are so concerned about pollution and energy useage, check your home. I read a report that the average house now creates more pollution then the average car. This is due to power plants etc. that support your house.
So with this in mind contact me for a new high efficiency HVAC system.
L98 exhaust sucks. The best fix, dual bullet cats, x-pipe and duals out back. It will sound awesome and sniff as clean as a whistle. If you can get an entire LT1 stock system, that would rock, too. Expect a 20~30hp gain. Add 20 more if you add LTs.
But this is not legal. By federal standards you cannot relocate the converter.
On a lighter note, for all of you who are so concerned about pollution and energy useage, check your home. I read a report that the average house now creates more pollution then the average car. This is due to power plants etc. that support your house.
So with this in mind contact me for a new high efficiency HVAC system.
Drifting
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From: Charlotte NC
St. Jude Donor '05
I didn't know you where in HVAC...
I have alot of ideas on how to improve effeciencies of heat pumps and water heaters with geothermic heating/cooling and solar heating. I've thought to myself why haven't they done some of these things and i'm sure there are good reasons.. prehaps me and you can discuss them off this board.
I have alot of ideas on how to improve effeciencies of heat pumps and water heaters with geothermic heating/cooling and solar heating. I've thought to myself why haven't they done some of these things and i'm sure there are good reasons.. prehaps me and you can discuss them off this board.
Team Owner
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by Alvin
Heres bogus's cars
Chevrolet Corvette
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Auto(4), (FFS) (MPFI), Premium 17 25
$2213
9.5 NA
Chevrolet Corvette
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Man(6), (FFS) (MPFI), Premium 17 25
$2213
9.5 NA
and heres one of my daily drivers
Honda Prelude
4 cyl, 2.2 L, Man(5), (FFS), Regular 24 30
$1577
7.3 NA
and another
Chevrolet Camaro
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Man(6), Premium 18 27
$2106
8.8 NA
So what is bogus doing to help the enviroment? My catless firebird only sees pleasure driving.. (less than 4k last year) I drive a honda or 6 cylinder jeep, or 00 Z28 to work. All of them emmit fewer TONS/yr of greenhouse emmissions than bogus corvette.
That was my point bogus.. quit taking it so damn personal. If your truely worried about the enviroment make sure your driving a fuel friendly vehicle.. or taking public transportation... not ragging a few enthusist about some pleasure vehicles they own
Chevrolet Corvette
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Auto(4), (FFS) (MPFI), Premium 17 25
$2213
9.5 NA
Chevrolet Corvette
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Man(6), (FFS) (MPFI), Premium 17 25
$2213
9.5 NA
and heres one of my daily drivers
Honda Prelude
4 cyl, 2.2 L, Man(5), (FFS), Regular 24 30
$1577
7.3 NA
and another
Chevrolet Camaro
8 cyl, 5.7 L, Man(6), Premium 18 27
$2106
8.8 NA
So what is bogus doing to help the enviroment? My catless firebird only sees pleasure driving.. (less than 4k last year) I drive a honda or 6 cylinder jeep, or 00 Z28 to work. All of them emmit fewer TONS/yr of greenhouse emmissions than bogus corvette.
That was my point bogus.. quit taking it so damn personal. If your truely worried about the enviroment make sure your driving a fuel friendly vehicle.. or taking public transportation... not ragging a few enthusist about some pleasure vehicles they own
It's all about education... and people need to know.
It is one thing I am passionate about.